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Unless 10.5 shocks the world i see no true potential for the chips in the desktop market.
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Me either. I'm still trying to find apps that effectively utilize four cores, let alone 6, 8, or 12 cores. Let's get the Ghz wars going, not the number of cores.

It's like owning 12 slow beater cars over 2 sports cars. If you and your wife can only drive one a piece, then what the heck is the point of having those extra ones instead of quality with the ones being utilized?
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So, are they taking Intel's lead and just slapping 2 Istanbul chips onto 1 CPU to get to 12 cores? I hope not, it's the one thing AMD has done right with the Phenoms thus far...
    
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So, are they taking Intel's lead and just slapping 2 Istanbul chips onto 1 CPU to get to 12 cores? I hope so, it's the one thing AMD has done wrong with the Phenoms thus far...
Fixed.

There just really isn't much in the way of plus's to making singular monolithic quads. Only on is that you have experience making those 4 core chips, and it makes 2 x 4 chips a little easier.
    
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Unless 10.5 shocks the world i see no true potential for the chips in the desktop market.
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Me either. I'm still trying to find apps that effectively utilize four cores, let alone 6, 8, or 12 cores. Let's get the Ghz wars going, not the number of cores.

It's like owning 12 slow beater cars over 2 sports cars. If you and your wife can only drive one a piece, then what the heck is the point of having those extra ones instead of quality with the ones being utilized?
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So, are they taking Intel's lead and just slapping 2 Istanbul chips onto 1 CPU to get to 12 cores? I hope not, it's the one thing AMD has done right with the Phenoms thus far...
Of course they don't have a potential in the desktop market. Thats why they aren't marketed towards the desktop market. These are for servers so It doesn't matter if desktop apps don't utilize four cores. And not using the MCM technique for the 8 and 12 core chips would be foolish. This time around the IMC on Phenom allows them to do this. And Hypertransport supplies a good amount of bandwidth between the chips.
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Of course they don't have a potential in the desktop market. Thats why they aren't marketed towards the desktop market. These are for servers so It doesn't matter if desktop apps don't utilize four cores. And not using the MCM technique for the 8 and 12 core chips would be foolish. This time around the IMC on Phenom allows them to do this. And Hypertransport supplies a good amount of bandwidth between the chips.
I'm not debating their strength in the server market. What i'm worried about is their desktop counterparts, since Phenom is just an AM2 version of Barcelona these will most likely be as well. Meaning no good chips for us (or rather, for our uses.)
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wait...socket g3 after am3 or am3 is g3??? thats like 3 years from now
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wait...socket g3 after am3 or am3 is g3??? thats like 3 years from now
G3 replaces F, AM3 replaces AM2+. Server and desktop, different sockets.
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Bulldozer was supposed to be an 09 release.. Bulldozer can truly mean something new and competitive. It's a shame it's so late.

I just hope they can get out Shanghai this year, at least as early as Nehalem, and that it can compete on some level. Otherwise the next years could be a very sad one-horse race.. If AMD can't keep up and compete Intel might as well prolong their tick-tock plan and we'll be the ones paying blood prices for old tech, just like the old days.

The chart says DDR2, at a time when Intel has already begun the transition to DDR3, and when all their new chips from laptop to desktop, server and HPC will run on DDR3.. Seeing as Cray and perhaps other large system providers are going Intel, could this drive DDR2 prices up, like regular DDR is priced now?

I thought I read somewhere that Shanghai would have an IMC that would support both DDR2 and 3. I sure hope so for AMD's sake.
i know, AMD has really blasted through the first quarter of '08, they just start 65nm enthusiast level CPUs and now on to 45nm. they released the HD3000 series in Feb and now the HD4000 series in May-July. just amazing, they probably know alot more of what's happening than we do... although they will probably get a few extra hundreds of millions of dollars when that new socket comes out and have thousands of businesses that use AMD servers switch. but i don't know, we'll just have to wait and see in '09....
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Me either. I'm still trying to find apps that effectively utilize four cores, let alone 6, 8, or 12 cores. Let's get the Ghz wars going, not the number of cores.

It's like owning 12 slow beater cars over 2 sports cars. If you and your wife can only drive one a piece, then what the heck is the point of having those extra ones instead of quality with the ones being utilized?
Speed is not the defining point of performance. Its all about architecture.

If you had a 6GHZ CPU it may fail to beat a CPU running at half that speed due to a poor architecture design. Its all about the foundations.
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