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That is an apples to oranges comparison. Main difference is that Vista users can still play Steam even though Valve is saying they will not move to DX10. That means only games made by Valve will not be DX10 but other companies that release games on Steam can still produce DX10 games if they want. Linux is an entirely different platform that is gaining more and more popularity and I could have sword Valve had mentioned working on native Linux support but maybe I'm delirious.

No it is not. It all comes down to money and time. Their attitude is that since the Vista/DX10 user pool is small it's not worth it to make DX10 games. Similarly, if the Linux user pool is small (which it is), then again it won't be worth it to make Linux clients. In each case they would still have to engage in extra coding and a rework of new/current games, which is time/resource consuming, which is obvious they don't want to do. Of course, Linux users already have the hardware for the current Source, so making a Linux client won't alienate anyone, but they still have to balance the resources they will spend with the amount of income they would get from the small Linux community to see if it's worth it. Meanwhile, DX10 will certainly alienate some of their user base, but even then there is no reason they can't just "tag in" DX10 like everyone has been doing and ease the transition to "pure" DX10 latter on.
It's an excuse, make no mistake. They either can't do DX10 with Source, or are afraid that their user base will not follow them wherever they go.
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one problem with this is if they don't make dx10 games why would any one upgrade. if they made half 2 ep 3 dx 10 and a new counter strike and left for dead dx10 compatible so if you wanted to play in dx10 you could people im sure many people would want to upgrade to play those games looking there best.
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one problem with this is if they don't make dx10 games why would any one upgrade. if they made half 2 ep 3 dx 10 and a new counter strike and left for dead dx10 compatible so if you wanted to play in dx10 you could people im sure many people would want to upgrade to play those games looking there best.
a new dx10 counter strike would be great
   
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All the Source games look fine as it is.
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I think Steam is mainstream enough that if Valve decided on a major change most users will follow through. They either don't want to take the risk and invest the additional resources, or just can't do it. Still, it's lame that they are stopping progress as a whole, just to keep the integrity of their user base... and their margins. Their inability to do this kind of jump is really shaking my hopes for a native Linux port.
I would be more worried about Valve switching between DX 9 and DX 10 in the middle of development.

Valve is one of those companies who will refuse to jump on the bandwagon - and good for them! They are taking their time, making games which have proven to be amazing, rather than taking DX10 and screaming "WE GOT T3H ADVANCED GAMEZ0R$$$!"
    
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It will be like gears of war was for the xbox 360. Once one game comes out with a badass DX10 game engine - many many games will follow suit. I agree that it isn't worth wasting time on, though. All about marketing.
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post #27 of 55
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one problem with this is if they don't make dx10 games why would any one upgrade. if they made half 2 ep 3 dx 10 and a new counter strike and left for dead dx10 compatible so if you wanted to play in dx10 you could people im sure many people would want to upgrade to play those games looking there best.
If Valve made hardware, this would be a great idea. but they don't. They make games. They make the most money selling games compatible with the majority of systems (Thats why alot of valves games will run on rigs several years ol when switched to low detail) to make the most money. Whilst most people on this forum will gladly spend money on their rig, the rest of the world doesn't feel the same way at all. They want to buy game, download, play; with no hidden expenses of upgrading. The other alternative of having both DX9 and DX10 in the one game is a complete waste of money for Valve again. They are going to have to majorly rework the source engine and spend alot of time and money for almost no increase in sales, since the 13% of steam users with DX10 GPU's and Vista would probably buy the game if it was DX9 anyway.
    
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I bet if Valve had a wealthier master then it would be singing a different tune... *looks at Ubisoft*


Source needs to move on, otherwise it WILL look outdated compared to the rest. As I said, Steam is pretty much a mainstay of most gamers, and with some clever marketing, Valve could gather enough muscle to twist gamer's arms.
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post #29 of 55
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I bet if Valve had a wealthier master then it would be singing a different tune... *looks at Ubisoft*


Source needs to move on, otherwise it WILL look outdated compared to the rest. As I said, Steam is pretty much a mainstay of most gamers, and with some clever marketing, Valve could gather enough muscle to twist gamer's arms.
But to what benefit? Like I've said, it is of no financial gain to them at all unless they were subsidised by MS or AMD or nVidia to take on such a task!

Also how long will it take for source to look outdated? Look at EP2. Thats far from outdated. It's just showing us all what DX9 is capable of and that DX10 was an unnecessary move that was also a ploy to get gamers to upgrade to Vista. I'm not disagreeing with you though - in the long run, given say 5 years, yes, Source will have to be updated to DX10 API, but by that time the steam hardware database will be showing a much larger percentage of users with both DX10 hardware and Vista.
    
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All the Source games look fine as it is.
There is enough room for more in a game.

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I bet if Valve had a wealthier master then it would be singing a different tune... *looks at Ubisoft*


Source needs to move on, otherwise it WILL look outdated compared to the rest. As I said, Steam is pretty much a mainstay of most gamers, and with some clever marketing, Valve could gather enough muscle to twist gamer's arms.
Source doesn't need to move on, they can keep updating it. It was made to be updated so it didn't have to be replaced.
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