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Originally Posted by True2paintball View Post
Will running a p35 in Crossfire be severely limited in performance to the x38/x48? What about for upgrade purposes? Also, why DDR2-1000 over 800?

I am also really worried that this is going to go over my absolute maximum of 1500 (must include shipping).
Faster RAM is binned higher and therefore more likely to overclock. However, Newegg has a set of 2x1GB Buffalo FireStix DDR2-800 that WILL overclock to 1200. I have them in my sig rig ^_^ They are $45 on the Egg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820150054

Shipping from the Egg is usually 50-75.

P35's are severely limited with CF because the one card is on 4/1. The first card runs fine. The only P35 that does CF well is the Blitz Formula. It has the ability to split it's PCI-E slots to run as 8/8 which doesn't bottleneck unless you're running dual 30" monitors.

Get the DFI DK X38. it's cheap and runs great. I suggest getting two HD3850's. Put them in CF, and you're set. They overclock like crazy too. A cheap case like the CM690(looks great IMO)

You could probably get away with a Corsair 550VX, but a 650 would be a little safer. The PC Power and Cooling 610 is the best if you can squeeze in the cash.
post #22 of 36
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Actually it looks like all of that might work if the monitor listed is any good. I have 2 types of memory listed because I am unsure which would work best with this setup. In addition to this, there are 25 dollars in additional rebates that would be included so the total (with shipping) would be just under 1500. Thoughts/ideas?

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Processor
Item #:N82E16819115037
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

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$198.99
1
Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler
Item #:N82E16835154001
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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$49.99
1
ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813131227
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

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-$20.00 Instant
$269.99
$249.99
2
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 3870 100225L Video Card
Item #:N82E16814102719
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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$15.00 Mail-in Rebate
$309.98
($154.99 each)
1
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W Power Supply
Item #:N82E16817139006
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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-$50.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate
$179.99
$129.99
1
Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP support
Item #:N82E16824009094
Return Policy: [LCD] Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

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-$20.00 Instant
$249.99
$229.99
1
Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Item #:N82E16822136161
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

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$62.99
1
Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-115DBK
Item #:N82E16827129018
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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$29.99
1
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811119137
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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$84.99
1
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820146755
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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$30.00 Mail-in Rebate
$129.99
1
OCZ Platinum Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820227280
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

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-$5.00 Instant
$99.99
$94.99
Grand Total: $1,571.88
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I made this post seperate so I could be sure that everyone saw it.

First, is there anything missing in the above that is an extra purchase that I may not have thought of due to having never built/overclocked a computer before?

One factor that I know is not considered in the above is software (I will need to decide if I have to make cuts to accomodate this). Besides an OS and virus scan, (McAffee?) are there any other vitals I should know about?

Alos, I have absolutely know knowledge/experience on Vista and am going to do some heavy research on it but are there any particular reasons why any of you would recommend one over the other?
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post #24 of 36
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I made this post seperate so I could be sure that everyone saw it.

First, is there anything missing in the above that is an extra purchase that I may not have thought of due to having never built/overclocked a computer before?

One factor that I know is not considered in the above is software (I will need to decide if I have to make cuts to accomodate this). Besides an OS and virus scan, (McAffee?) are there any other vitals I should know about?

Alos, I have absolutely know knowledge/experience on Vista and am going to do some heavy research on it but are there any particular reasons why any of you would recommend one over the other?
You need the OS. Also, don't bother with 2x2GB kits, they overclock really poorly compared to 4x1GB kits(ONLY ON INTEL BOARDS) Almost any 2x1/4x1GB kits will be better than 2x2GB. Take my word for it.

Great RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820150054

Also, I looked at the page for your video cards, if you scroll down slightly, there's a box you can check to get $15.00 off if you buy two.
Edited by RussianGrimmReaper - 5/16/08 at 9:16pm
post #25 of 36
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Very good to know about the memory.

Am I able to swap my Xp operating system from my old comp's hard drive to the new one to save a bit of cash for the time being? Any reason that I would have/want to use Vista?

Great eyes on the 15 off reaper. I would not have seen that.
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post #26 of 36
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Very good to know about the memory.

Am I able to swap my Xp operating system from my old comp's hard drive to the new one to save a bit of cash for the time being? Any reason that I would have/want to use Vista?

Great eyes on the 15 off reaper. I would not have seen that.
Well for starters, Vista x64 has better driver support than XP x64, so that's a plus already. Although, if you bought a retail copy of XP, I believe you can install it on up to 5 computers. If OEM, then you need a new copy.
post #27 of 36
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Well for starters, Vista x64 has better driver support than XP x64, so that's a plus already. Although, if you bought a retail copy of XP, I believe you can install it on up to 5 computers. If OEM, then you need a new copy.
I had XP64 before I went to Vista64. XP was a waste of money. THe driver support is horrible. If you go 64bit, which you should, get Vista. With the new Sp1 out, its not too bad.
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post #28 of 36
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I had XP64 before I went to Vista64. XP was a waste of money. THe driver support is horrible. If you go 64bit, which you should, get Vista. With the new Sp1 out, its not too bad.
I didn't have any driver problems with my HD3870's/HD3870x2's/ and current X1950XTX. My 9800GX2 ran great too.
post #29 of 36
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I was sort of thinking I would go with Vista just because it seemed to be stable enough at this point and things are headed that direction. The copy of XP that I had was actually OEM so it looks like I will have to buy a new OS anyway so that is the route I am going.

After doing some more research on the 4x1gb vs 2x2gb I think I am still going to go with the 2x2gb. There are a couple of argument for this (which were overwhelmingly present compared to the 4x1gb). Having more units on the board tends to put more stress on it because it needs to work harder to support the units, thus making it hotter. Additionally, the ability to upgrade to a greater amount of memory in the future will be easier. Finally, the argument that it is more difficult/not as high of an overclock is valid but the difference does not seem to be significant. I like the OCZ Platinum that I listed in the specs above for this.

Anyone know much about the monitor that I referenced or of alternatives that they have used? One thing is that 22" is the smallest I will go (24" would be nice but don't have the $$ now).
Edited by True2paintball - 5/17/08 at 10:13am
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post #30 of 36
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Originally Posted by True2paintball View Post
After doing some more research on the 4x1gb vs 2x2gb I think I am still going to go with the 2x2gb. There are a couple of argument for this (which were overwhelmingly present compared to the 4x1gb). Having more units on the board tends to put more stress on it because it needs to work harder to support the units, thus making it hotter. Additionally, the ability to upgrade to a greater amount of memory in the future will be easier. Finally, the argument that it is more difficult/not as high of an overclock is valid but the difference does not seem to be significant. I like the OCZ Platinum that I listed in the specs above for this.
What you stated is absolutely true on NVidia chipsets. On Intel boards, there is no such thing as stress on the memory controller. I've overclocked an X38 with 8GB(4x2) while running CrossFire with a quad. Every Intel board since the 965P can take 4 RAM modules and kick @$$. 2x2GB kits that actually run well, cost $150(Crucial Ballistix on the Egg) What would you do with 8GB besides increase your e-peen and do insanely complicated math stuff.
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