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thats the biggest lie i've ever seen. Show me proof that a 3.2 ghz quad from amd gets smoked by a stock quad q6600. Man you sure know how to make me laugh.

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Funny people nowadays don't know how to read. I said one of the top amd quads can barely beat a q6600.
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Funny people nowadays don't know how to read. I said one of the top amd quads can barely beat a q6600.
An 9850 at 3.2Ghz will kill a Q6600 at stock.

Try again.
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I am so proud of you sublime! You were once the biggest amd fanboy on OCN and now you have found out that intel literally pwns anything on the market right now. Let's not get into this fanboy crap, seriously though lets talk specifications, the top amd quad overclocked to 3.2 barely beats a q6600 at stock. For crying out loud my overclocked e2180 can beat a phenom in most application right now and by the time they come out with more compatible quad software lets hope amd will have a new processor.
No a phenom at 3.2 will beat a Q6600 at stock with a good margin. Stop making up BS. And your e2180 might be better at games but in programs that take advantage of 4 cores the Phenom will surely beat your CPU.
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Personally I think AMD is dead lol
I'm starting to wonder that my self too.

Hemorrhaging what ..$300- $500 million a quarter, having all the best people being fought over from Fusion and Bulldozer, they really need to get better-than-QX9770 products out in order to survive.

Not to mention that once they get to 45nm, and maybe start putting out some (more) decent Phenoms, Intel will be releasing a highly anticipated new architecture.

As for Fusion, I think they are placing too much into it, it might be decent from folks with no-video card, however the future really is a seperate CPU and GPU.
    
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I gotta say I disagree about the dual cores. For the price, the X2's have always cost a noticeable amount less in comparison to the C2D's of equal performance.

That's without consideration to overclocking potential, of course.
    
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I am so proud of you sublime! You were once the biggest amd fanboy on OCN and now you have found out that intel literally pwns anything on the market right now. Let's not get into this fanboy crap, seriously though lets talk specifications, the top amd quad overclocked to 3.2 barely beats a q6600 at stock. For crying out loud my overclocked e2180 can beat a phenom in most application right now and by the time they come out with more compatible quad software lets hope amd will have a new processor.
Im more of an Nvidia Fanboy than I am an AMD fanboy. But on a more serious note. It took me day and night getting my Phenom to 3ghz and it took me 10 minutes to learn how to oc and intel and get 3.2ghz from a 1.8ghz chip I mean Jesus.. Just like that. Intel isnt difficult to oc like AMD was

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Originally Posted by danewfie View Post
thats the biggest lie i've ever seen. Show me proof that a 3.2 ghz quad from amd gets smoked by a stock quad q6600. Man you sure know how to make me laugh.

My quote of the day.
There is no lies man.As A die hard AMD fan I stand my ground but no joke My E6300@ stock "1.8GHZ Beats My Old Phenom 9600 @ 3ghz in every game every test every bench. It got at least 100

FPS more in aquamark3

In super PI my phenom @ 3ghz got 23 seconds and at 3GHZ my E6300 got 16...
Edited by sublime0 - 5/15/08 at 5:51am
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I gotta say I disagree about the dual cores. For the price, the X2's have always cost a noticeable amount less in comparison to the C2D's of equal performance.

That's without consideration to overclocking potential, of course.
Very true.

Only issue is that who ever has the most powerful product decides the pricing, and with Intel in the lead, AMD has to price their chips according to Intel's charts. Basically they are great at the low end, and are forced to sell the $100 chips with $50 profit instead of $200 chips with $70-$100 profit.

My numbers are made up, but the idea and general ratio are true.

Also, not releasing K10-ish x2's is kind of bitting them now, all their chips are stuck at K8-brought-to-65nm styles. They should do x2's with more tweaked architecture at 45nm.
    
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There is no lies man.As A die hard AMD fan I stand my ground but no joke My E6300@ stock "1.8GHZ Beats My Old Phenom 9600 @ 3ghz in every game every test every bench. It got at least 100 FPS more in aquamark3
In super PI my phenom @ 3ghz got 23 seconds and at 3GHZ my E6300 got 16...
Ahh but there lies the fatal flaw. Every application you have named cannot utilize anything more than 2 cores. As such then, the analysis is void. Try encoding a H264 video with your Phenom and you will see the difference immediately. It is also a well known fact that the core2 architecture is very good at Superpi calculation but this does not accurately depict real world situations.

I would not suggest anyone run out and get a Phenom for gaming, I am merely suggesting for application performance and multi-core processes, a Phenom will be better (which is why it exists). Using a quad for gaming alone is borderline idiocy at this point in time (as shown by the E8400 vs. Q6600 comparisons).
post #29 of 40
I'm speechless.

K10 hasn't even come out yet, and already it's declared a "Dead" product?

I'm just going to stop there before i get flammed/banned.

EDIT: never mind, i just seem to be having a retarded day.
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post #30 of 40
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I'm speechless.

K10 hasn't even come out yet, and already it's declared a "Dead" product?

I'm just going to stop there before i get flammed/banned.
Umm...K10 is out, it's called Phenom. Maybe you're thinking of the new K10.5? That release is still a few months down the road (Nehalem-ish time, perhaps?) and does promise some IPC as well as other improvements. At this time, though, it's rather pointless to speculate the expected performance of this chip since noone outside of AMD knows exactly what's going into it. Personally, I'm not expecting it to beat Intel's chips quite yet, but it's not like AMD will be sitting still either.

At any rate, AMD seems to be doing a hell of a lot better when being beaten than Intel did. Their Opteron line in particular is still very competitive with Intel Xeons, and this is a much more profitable market than the enthusiasts. And with their new "asset light" / "asset smart" strategy, they stand a chance of putting an end to the money bleeding soon.
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