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Just downloaded the first release of OpenSolaris 2008 .05 and burned it to CD. However, I can't get it to install on my system. I get some sort of hardware probe error, so I assume I have incompatible hardware.

I would really like to try it out since Solaris is one of the only true Unix variants out there. The Solaris kernel has some inherent advantages over Linux.
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You don't want to use Solaris on your desktop, unless it is for *****s and giggles. There are many things it does well, but desktop/workstation is far, far from it, trust me I work with it practically every day. If you want a "true" unix variant you can play with BSD or darwin, but that isn't much fun either. Linux really is the best suited for desktop environments.
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if you want to use UNIX GET A MAC
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if you want to use UNIX GET A MAC
Darwin is the core of OS X, and it is based off of BSD, not everyone wants a Mac, btw.
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post #5 of 31
Is OpenSolaris the same thing as Solaris, as in "Solaris 10?" I've used Solaris 10 very briefly, and it was a real pain in the ass. I actually wasn't able to install it in VirtualBox.

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Originally Posted by Unknownm View Post
if you want to use UNIX GET A MAC


Quote:
Originally Posted by EmerilLIVE View Post
Darwin is the core of OS X, and it is based off of BSD, not everyone wants a Mac, btw.
Darwin is the kernel. I'm not sure if you consider that the "core," but I know the system is based on FreeBSD. I'd call BSD-UNIX and OS X "distant cousins." They have many similarities which are very apparent when you start getting into the system of OS X using the terminal. But of course, it's quite proprietary; if you're looking at learning BSD/UNIX, you should probably be using FreeBSD/OpenBSD/Linux.

DragonflyBSD was a light UNIX distro I got. It's like 100MB, but I was unable to install it in VirtualBox.
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Is OpenSolaris the same thing as Solaris, as in "Solaris 10?" I've used Solaris 10 very briefly, and it was a real pain in the ass. I actually wasn't able to install it in VirtualBox.
OpenSolaris is just the community version, comes with other programs and such. It is what Fedora is to RHEL, but not that developed yet.
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Runs nice on the last version of virtualbox (1.6), but i see no use in it.
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post #8 of 31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknownm View Post
if you want to use UNIX GET A MAC
Yeah, as the other guy said, Mac is based on BSD and it is by no means the first Unix based desktop.

To Emerill:

As you said, I wanted to mess with OpenSolaris for kicks and giggles, as I like exploring the various *nixes. According to my reading, the new OPENSolaris is a different project from Sun's closed-source enterprise Solaris 10 etc. ( Perhaps this is what you have experience with?) OpenSolaris is supposed to be a bit more friendly for the desktop, as it comes packaged with KDE and other GUI front ends. The guy who created Debian Linux is the project manager and he has attempted to "bring the advantages of Linux to Solaris." Further, OpenSolaris apparently has a package manager, much like the Linux distros have.

Apparently Solaris's scalability and reliability are legendary. There is a big argument on a couple of blogs about this issue -- on one side is the Linux users, and on the other are the Solaris fans. The Solaris fans proclaim that Solaris is inherently more stable, is a true Unix (unlike Linux), and has much better scalability. The Linux folks say that none of this is true -- Linux scales just as well etc. It's almost as bad as the fights here between Intel and AMD fanboys .

But, I would agree with you -- Solaris ain't an Ubuntu. It's not quite that user friendly, but it is much older than any Linux variant and more time tested through use on many large servers over the past 20 years.

The interesting thing about OpenSolaris is that this is the first time that Sun has released their proprietary Unix based code to the public. It will be interesting to see what happens if/when the Linux hackers get a hold of it and create their own Solaris based *nix distro. Even though Solaris is open source, it is still under a proprietary license, though the license is supposed to be shifted to the same GPL type license that is applicable to the GNU/Linuxes. There could be quite a spectacle if someone attempts to use the code without Sun's approval.

Even more interesting: a Utah court ruled that Novell still owns the copyright to Unix, but SCO group had already "sold" the license to Sun before the ruling came down. This means that OpenSolaris may be a violation of Novell's copyright because Sun never owned the license in the first place.

Here is an interesting blog on all of this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8788

--edit--

And, oh yeah, don't forget about Solaris's ZFS file system. Many a Linux developer would love to get their hands on that in order to port it to Linux.
Edited by thiussat - 5/15/08 at 12:11am
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OpenSolaris is just the community version, comes with other programs and such. It is what Fedora is to RHEL, but not that developed yet.
But Solaris can also be obtained free of charge; I don't think RHEL can be. Although for Red Hat, there is CentOS.
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But Solaris can also be obtained free of charge; I don't think RHEL can be. Although for Red Hat, there is CentOS.
what for? (unless you have a sparc)
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