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They only become out of date because new pc parts are constantly being released unlike the consoles where you have to use the same old parts for years. That doesnt mean that the old hardware is any worse though and any less capable. I know people with 8 year old pc's and they can do many things that a ps3 cant do and they can play all of the latest games. PC's that cost less than a ps3 would still be better than having a console imho.
I'd like to see an 8 year old rig play the latest games with tolerable settings.

And I think you're missing the point about PCs becoming outdated. Some people care that they just paid for the latest and greatest, only to have it become mid-range in a few weeks/months, but that is not the main issue. The main issue is the practical side. If you buy a console, you will be playing brand new games with the same settings you used at launch for years. 5-10 at that. And the games just keep looking better as the devs learn every niche of the console. If you buy a gaming rig, you won't be playing brand new games in 1-2 years with the same settings you used when you first got it. That is frustrating to MANY people. Maybe not to you, but to many people.

PC gaming is in trouble. Serious trouble. People who just want to cry out that PCs are superior, or just completely ignore the problem altogether, are just in denial of what is happening.

As for Alienware, I too am impressed with their (or maybe just this person's) honesty. I'm shocked they're not touting DDR3 as essential.
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Driver support is fine for x64, Alienware is the one that sucks.
I agree the manufacturers have no idea what they are talking about half the time.
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I'd like to see an 8 year old rig play the latest games with tolerable settings.

And I think you're missing the point about PCs becoming outdated. Some people care that they just paid for the latest and greatest, only to have it become mid-range in a few weeks/months, but that is not the main issue. The main issue is the practical side. If you buy a console, you will be playing brand new games with the same settings you used at launch for years. 5-10 at that. And the games just keep looking better as the devs learn every niche of the console. If you buy a gaming rig, you won't be playing brand new games in 1-2 years with the same settings you used when you first got it. That is frustrating to MANY people. Maybe not to you, but to many people.

PC gaming is in trouble. Serious trouble. People who just want to cry out that PCs are superior, or just completely ignore the problem altogether, are just in denial of what is happening.
I think it's funny how some people imply the upgrade ability of PC's is somehow a burden. The ability to upgrade a PC is a positive feature. The creation of console games is limited to whatever their given hardware can accommodate. In contrast, PC games cannot always be played at their current maximum as well on "older hardware" - because new games are continually made to take advantage of the newest hardware. Unlike consoles, the PC's ability to take advantage of these new features (by upgrading) is at least there.

You can turn the detail down in PC games that have advanced beyond the specs of given system if needed. OR you can upgrade and make the system (and games) better. The point is, you have a choice. If a console game was programmed beyond the specs of it's hardware (which would probably be inadvertently), you wouldn't have that same luxury. I'm sure that doesn't happen too often - but that's exactly where the limitation lays.

The statement: "you don't have to upgrade a console" isn't the best way to put it. A more accurate term would be: "you can't upgrade a console". Quite simply, the ability to upgrade is a PC's advantage.
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I'd like to see an 8 year old rig play the latest games with tolerable settings.

And I think you're missing the point about PCs becoming outdated. Some people care that they just paid for the latest and greatest, only to have it become mid-range in a few weeks/months, but that is not the main issue. The main issue is the practical side. If you buy a console, you will be playing brand new games with the same settings you used at launch for years. 5-10 at that. And the games just keep looking better as the devs learn every niche of the console. If you buy a gaming rig, you won't be playing brand new games in 1-2 years with the same settings you used when you first got it. That is frustrating to MANY people. Maybe not to you, but to many people.

PC gaming is in trouble. Serious trouble. People who just want to cry out that PCs are superior, or just completely ignore the problem altogether, are just in denial of what is happening.

As for Alienware, I too am impressed with their (or maybe just this person's) honesty. I'm shocked they're not touting DDR3 as essential.
so what your saying is it is better to play games with mediocer graphics on a console that has very limited game play and almost no expandability with out spending another 50-60 bucks on the sequel. compared to high graphics the first year or two and slowly stepping down the graphics over time as the games get more complex and expand with way more options. I'm not buy in your logic (/delete logic protocal v1.0............./install Logic protocal v7.5
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I'd like to see an 8 year old rig play the latest games with tolerable settings.

And I think you're missing the point about PCs becoming outdated. Some people care that they just paid for the latest and greatest, only to have it become mid-range in a few weeks/months, but that is not the main issue. The main issue is the practical side. If you buy a console, you will be playing brand new games with the same settings you used at launch for years. 5-10 at that. And the games just keep looking better as the devs learn every niche of the console. If you buy a gaming rig, you won't be playing brand new games in 1-2 years with the same settings you used when you first got it. That is frustrating to MANY people. Maybe not to you, but to many people.

PC gaming is in trouble. Serious trouble. People who just want to cry out that PCs are superior, or just completely ignore the problem altogether, are just in denial of what is happening.

As for Alienware, I too am impressed with their (or maybe just this person's) honesty. I'm shocked they're not touting DDR3 as essential.
The older pc's can play all of the newest games, just at low settings. As for a new pc not being able to max out games 1-2 years down the road, that depends on what you play. If you play well optimized games like ones on the valve source engine than you are good for 4 years and most other games you should be able to max out for 2 1/2 years without upgrading your gpu. These are also at above high def resolutions, consoles only upscale from low resolutions and get less than 25 fps most of the time.

Truth be told if you want to be happy with your pc gaming rig than you should go for whatever offers the best bang for the buck, that way you wont care if the next big video card gets released 3 months later. Not to mention that if you do end up buying a console you will end up paying just as much as you would of end up spending on a high end pc a couple of years down the road. Just because PS3 games will run you $60 and a high def tv will cost you a lot also. With a pc you can get amazing games for free or $20 that blow away half of the console games out there.

Also, console gameplay tends to be dumbed down significantly and they offer very basic game mechanics. There isnt a console game out there that can touch the depth of any MMORPG out there and games such as Baulders Gate, NWN, STALKER, Mythos, GW, etc.......
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