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Originally Posted by foolsgold View Post
Agreed. This could definitely put some pressure on AMD and Intel if it does well (which is what preliminary benchmarks have shown.)

What I'm most curious to see is what relationship VIA will have with nVidia going forward. AMD already has ATI in the pocket, Intel is developing Larrabee, and nVidia is providing a chipset for the new VIA product--potential merger going forward? If that's the direction of the market, it might make sense, but it's too early to tell without seeing how Isaiah performs and seeing if VIA can get a good foothold in the mainstream CPU market.
Personally an Nvidia Via merger makes me drool, VERY good things could come from that. Also, I don't think it is really useful to try and compare this to Intel or AMD architecture as far as cores and such goes, this is a very, very different design.
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post #22 of 46
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Originally Posted by rabidgnome229 View Post
It's just labeled in more detail than such pics usually are. Everything not labeled cache is core
You also exclude the PLL, Fuses, and Buses in addition to cache.


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Originally Posted by EmerilLIVE View Post
I don't have an electrical engineering degree or anything like that, but I'd think something that processes stuff "out-of-order" is going to have an out-of-order die, that would only make sense.
What's an out-of-order die? Out-of-order are various methods of path prediction and thread optimization.


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Agreed. This could definitely put some pressure on AMD and Intel if it does well (which is what preliminary benchmarks have shown.)

What I'm most curious to see is what relationship VIA will have with nVidia going forward. AMD already has ATI in the pocket, Intel is developing Larrabee, and nVidia is providing a chipset for the new VIA product--potential merger going forward? If that's the direction of the market, it might make sense, but it's too early to tell without seeing how Isaiah performs and seeing if VIA can get a good foothold in the mainstream CPU market.
NVIDIA said there is no merger in the future and VIA is asking too much for a takeover....
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post #23 of 46
Looks interesting.

We will see how they do when Via is "off on their own." I am pretty sure Intel is still paying them 10 million or something like that for the next year or two.
    
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Via recently announced a dual core, I'm not sure whether or not this is it

**edit**
from the pic I would say no
Look closely, it has 2 L1 caches. I don't think a single core could utilize 2 separate caches of the same level, at least not that far apart...

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Well for most DIE's you can tell which is which. Like this Phenom Die



You can tell where the 4 cores are.

Same with this Nehalem Die



The VIA die looks like they put random crap everywhere. On the AMD and Intel Die's everything is all organized.
It's just because AMD and Intel use similar architectures.
Edited by Licht - 5/16/08 at 8:03am
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post #25 of 46
Hmm

Interesting... A triopoly?

I hope this doesn't negatively affect AMD though... AMD's already in some deep ....
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post #26 of 46
Even if they make sometthing good its going to take many year to actually buy a VIA CPU. Even when amd was better then intel, intel had much much more sales.
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post #27 of 46
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You can tell where the 4 cores are.
That's because there's more than one, and you see the pattern.
You know that there are 4 cores, and you see 4 identical parts, so they must be the cores. This chip is single core, so it's harder to tell.
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This is good. I have wanted to see VIA com out and start developing some more desktop orientated CPU's. I think they could really prove themselves here.
??? no.. this isnt meant to compete full on with Intel and AMD, as they dont have a place to even start there, and their single core cpu would just get slaughtered. This is meant for low power applications.

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Agreed. This could definitely put some pressure on AMD and Intel if it does well (which is what preliminary benchmarks have shown.)

What I'm most curious to see is what relationship VIA will have with nVidia going forward. AMD already has ATI in the pocket, Intel is developing Larrabee, and nVidia is providing a chipset for the new VIA product--potential merger going forward? If that's the direction of the market, it might make sense, but it's too early to tell without seeing how Isaiah performs and seeing if VIA can get a good foothold in the mainstream CPU market.
Not gonna put pressure on AMD, as they are not into the market VIA targets, and Intel's atom has more uses than VIA's processors. Nvidia wouldnt merge with VIA, Nvidia would acquire VIA (Nvidia is a bigger company). Isaiah isnt a mainstream CPU... Bad Cnet article.
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I don't have an electrical engineering degree or anything like that, but I'd think something that processes stuff "out-of-order" is going to have an out-of-order die, that would only make sense.
Out of order execution means that it looks ahead in the program and rearranges the microops to fill out execution units

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If i remember correctly 2 L1 caches = dualcore?
There is an L1-I cache and an L1-D cache. The I cache holds instructions and the D cache holds data. They're both just bytes in memory, and putting them in the same cache would lead to conflicts when there need not be any. There's no sense in having an int evict the instruction that manipulates it, then be evicted by the next instruction

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You also exclude the PLL, Fuses, and Buses in addition to cache.

What's an out-of-order die? Out-of-order are various methods of path prediction and thread optimization.

NVIDIA said there is no merger in the future and VIA is asking too much for a takeover....
All very true. I was simplifying

When chip manufacturers are laying out chips it may (especially with multi-core chips) make sense to have this big region here be the core and this big region here be the cache and this big region here be another core...etc. This absolutely does not have to be the case. The Floating Point functional unit has nothing to do with the branch prediction unit, so why stick them next to each other? When there are a few discrete cores all doing their own thing the modular design works, but a single core chip allows for a different kind of layout optimization. I would guess that if you look at a P4 die (and this is a guess - I've never seen one) it would look similar
Edited by rabidgnome229 - 5/16/08 at 10:49am
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Pentium 4 Die layout.
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