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It's a valid point, but it is only better @ Crysis, and that is do to Crysis piss poor multi-gpu scaling. The key is that it is not worth the extra $$$.
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Looking good.

Notes:
- The Q9450 doesn't give any real advantage over, say, a Q6700. Save the money here.
- Overkill on the RAM. Newegg has G.Skill DDR2 1000 RAM for $85 (4GB kit).
- Make sure the DVD is SATA... gets you rid of that IDE cable
ok, ill definately look into that as well, im all about saving a few bucks here and there i think the ram will be a good way to go as far as thats concerned... i really did have an inkling i was overkilling there a touch, i just thought the fan that came with the corsair dominator was a good thing for future overclocks lol. and as far as the CPU comment you made.. i was unaware of that as well, thanks! i had heard the q9450 had the overclocking power of say, a q6600 but was even better :\\ ill look into the 6700. and yeah, SATA is definately the way to go IDE cables are a huuuge pain. lol.
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well if a touch is worth $300 to you then go for it. and you can get 9800GX2s for $500 and less nowadays. Leadtek, EVGA, BFG.theyr stock clocked and u can OC them urself.


having said all of that, if i wer u id wait. because with june comes HD4800 and 9900GTX/GT etc and those cards are set to debut around $500 and should be heaps better than any 9800 card.
    
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oustanding article..! i probably will go with the tri SLI setup now instead of the quads.... from everything they wrote in that it seems im just falling for marketing gimmicks and being uninformed to the tune of 3-400$ lol, which could be better spent getting a better moniter than what i have slotted at this point keep in mind i am trying to somewhat 'future proof' my system... but after reading that i really feel like a sap for even considering quad sli to begin with thanks man.
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well if a touch is worth $300 to you then go for it. and you can get 9800GX2s for $500 and less nowadays. Leadtek, EVGA, BFG.theyr stock clocked and u can OC them urself.


having said all of that, if i wer u id wait. because with june comes HD4800 and 9900GTX/GT etc and those cards are set to debut around $500 and should be heaps better than any 9800 card.
thats a very good point as well... just a matter of patience, i have heard that about 9900's but have yet to hear any projected release dates aside from 'sometime this summer' which is kind of disheartening... but yeah, very very good insight, thanks brythe.
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I don't know how experienced with computers you are, or if you plan on isntalling windows vista... but I would suggest, just for fun, getting a second one of those 640gb hd's and running them together in RAID-0 for the performance increase. You might have a fast computer, but it will always be held back by your HD... I dramatically increased the speed of my system by purchasing another 250gb hard drive and running them in a RAID array. It's very very easy to install, can be done right from the bios in less than 2 minutes actually (at least on an nvidia board like the one you picked out, I haven't used intel raid chipsets or any others for that matter) and will at least DOUBLE your read/write times of your hard drive... just a suggestion ... not to mention thebragging rights that come with raid, of course!

the reason I mention vista is because it can be a pain to install windows XP on a RAID array/drive without a 1.44" floppy drive, although on your budget I'm sure you can afford one... If not, just use VISTA and you should have no problems... This has to do with the windows install needing a RAID driver to be input from a floppy into the setup with windows XP as opposed to VISTA already having this driver built in to it's setup routine...
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Well... RAID has one MAJOR drawback. It's all fun and such, until you upgrade and end up with a chipset that doesn't recognize your current RAID array (e.g., going from an Intel RAID controller to a nVidia RAID controller). If you rely on a RAID array to store data, you're in trouble.

Thus, I'd recommend RAID for OS/Applications/Games, but a single drive for data.
    
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I don't know how experienced with computers you are, or if you plan on isntalling windows vista... but I would suggest, just for fun, getting a second one of those 640gb hd's and running them together in RAID-0 for the performance increase. You might have a fast computer, but it will always be held back by your HD... I dramatically increased the speed of my system by purchasing another 250gb hard drive and running them in a RAID array. It's very very easy to install, can be done right from the bios in less than 2 minutes actually (at least on an nvidia board like the one you picked out, I haven't used intel raid chipsets or any others for that matter) and will at least DOUBLE your read/write times of your hard drive... just a suggestion ... not to mention thebragging rights that come with raid, of course!

the reason I mention vista is because it can be a pain to install windows XP on a RAID array/drive without a 1.44" floppy drive, although on your budget I'm sure you can afford one... If not, just use VISTA and you should have no problems... This has to do with the windows install needing a RAID driver to be input from a floppy into the setup with windows XP as opposed to VISTA already having this driver built in to it's setup routine...
yeah, i had thought about that as well, one of my previous builds had a WD raptor to house the os, then a 500gb seagate as a storage hd, but after talking it over with a couple people i was under the impression for the hassle, the performance increase i would receive just wasnt worth it, but if its that drastic, hey could be worth the time/money.
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hello everyone, hopefully i can get some constructive criticism (or maybe just "YOU IDIOT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING lol), but yeah in a nutshell, this is my first attempt at a building a system from scratch... so im expecting some goof ups on my end, hence the reason im posting here trying to fine tune what i have allready, basically i have 2500 to spend, with a little wiggle room, give or take 100$ i think what i have laid out here is pretty good so far... but im sure its far from ideal for the money im spending, could probably get a better setup from asking people who know... (you guys/gals) anyways, this rig is going to be strictly for gaming, no video editing, no anything, i just want to make new games look pretty and max out my fps... anyways i think thats enough, i look forward to whatever help/flames you all send my way

Mobo $220 XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI Intel Motherboard

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XFX PVT98UZHDU GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

CD/DVD drive - could care less, no real preferance, gonna run about $30.

HDD - $115 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Case/PSU 290$ (combo deal, thanks newegg)
XCLIO WTBK ADVANCED Fully Black Finish Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case

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I have a similar system sept i donno why i went with 790i utra.. ddr3 is so overpriced for the performance.. my mistake... so good choice with MB and mem. Dont think its overkill on the mem. the DOMINATOR is a good choice. I have 1 gx2 and i love it, saving up for a second one.
Keep in mind.. if you OC the q9450 you need a very good HSF... that will run you around 60$ as well. And make sure to use a good aftermarket paste too when you install it.. dont use the one that comes with the heatsink.

some suggestions..

1. Id go with 2 HDDs and put them in raid 0 for better performance. i went with 2 raptors but i wouldn't suggest them because they are really really loud and get annoying after a while.

2. Keep in mind that a new genaration of procs from intel are coming out in a few months so you might want to consider waiting till the end off summer... i know.. im bad at that too lol but just a thought.
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I have a similar system sept i donno why i went with 790i utra.. ddr3 is so overpriced for the performance.. my mistake... so good choice with MB and mem. Dont think its overkill on the mem. the DOMINATOR is a good choice. I have 1 gx2 and i love it, saving up for a second one.
Keep in mind.. if you OC the q9450 you need a very good HSF... that will run you around 60$ as well. And make sure to use a good aftermarket paste too when you install it.. dont use the one that comes with the heatsink.

some suggestions..

1. Id go with 2 HDDs and put them in raid 0 for better performance. i went with 2 raptors but i wouldn't suggest them because they are really really loud and get annoying after a while.

2. Keep in mind that a new genaration of procs from intel are coming out in a few months so you might want to consider waiting till the end off summer... i know.. im bad at that too lol but just a thought.
yeah, ideally i would go with two raptors as well.. buuut thats just a touch too pricey, ill probably end up slapping a couple of misc hd's together, havnt decided which yet though... just know i dont really want to go 400$+ just for a raid setup hehe.

and as far as waiting? yeah i am holding off a short time, REALLY not trying to wait until the end of summer for a newer cpu though hehe, most i may do is wait for the 9900 release. the only comp i have right now is a pos that barely surfs the net, simply unacceptable
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