Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [TorrentFreak] Comcast lied to FCC, still blocks Bittorrent traffic
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TorrentFreak] Comcast lied to FCC, still blocks Bittorrent traffic - Page 3

post #21 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf_08 View Post
Well P2P normally is for sharing illegal so they have all the right.
Okay, okay. Here's one good example that you can't possible turn down:

The Blizzard Downloader. 10 million (WoW) players have used... some turned to direct download, and some continue to use it, and guess what, it uses BitTorrent as its main method of transferring!

Also, when you have an immense user base like this, there's always somebody seeding the torrents, so you never have to worry about it and it doesn't cost you much to run it.
Akiyama Mio
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6420 @ stock, 0.98v Asus P5N-E SLI Gainward GTX 460 1GB @ 800/1600/1900 2x2GB Kingston @ 800MHz 5-5-5-15 2T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 250GB, 320GB SATA/3, 16MB Cache, Seagate 1TB LG GSA-H62N 18x SATA Ubuntu 9.10 x86 & Win7 x86 Asus VW222U 
KeyboardPowerCase
Logitech Classic Corsair 650HX NZXT Apollo Black 
  hide details  
Reply
Akiyama Mio
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6420 @ stock, 0.98v Asus P5N-E SLI Gainward GTX 460 1GB @ 800/1600/1900 2x2GB Kingston @ 800MHz 5-5-5-15 2T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 250GB, 320GB SATA/3, 16MB Cache, Seagate 1TB LG GSA-H62N 18x SATA Ubuntu 9.10 x86 & Win7 x86 Asus VW222U 
KeyboardPowerCase
Logitech Classic Corsair 650HX NZXT Apollo Black 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD+nVidia View Post
C'mon, time for a lawsuit people! These crappy companies are dying, because they can't provide the service they PROMISE. And they WON'T upgrade their services because they are lousy grubbing cash-mongers!
Right, except they're not dying at all.
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 47
WTH. I didn't know cox did this too. It seems like every ISP is getting into this. =|
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by GibbyGano View Post
Yeah, you can't meter the internet. It's not a utility, it has no physical entity.
.
Phone service has no physical entity and they can meter that just fine.

It does have a physical entity in the sense that they need to build the plant to provide a standard level of service to their users.

Do they build the plant to accommodate 2-3TB/day for everyone or do they build it to accommodate 1G/day for everyone?

Tiered pricing models make a lot more sense than what they have today otherwise you have the email/web surfer subsiding that heavy user and that makes no sense.

Pay for what you use sounds the fairest approach.
Do it in tiers so it is easy to understand.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 47
Personal opinion, they should provide the level of service that they advertise. No caps, no limitations, no restrictions. that's the service that I agreed to, and Comcast just doesn't produce that. With the "behind the scenes" approach to "traffic shaping" and the BS that they are feeding the FCC. I say fine them into oblivian!! they are doing nothing more than finding ways to charge more for a sub-par service without putting forth the effort to increase capacity to handle the users that they are trying to sign day after day.

And some places don't have an option. It's either sub-par DSL, sub-par cable, or satallite. Well, I'm stuck with the sub-par cable and not liking it until FiOS is available at my location. That is a service that I'll pay for because the simple fact that it's no restrictions!! I have friends that have it and the cable service through FiOS, and it's 100% better than anything that Comcast offers.

customers need to speak with the wallets when possible. Down with treating the customer like a 2nd rate person while making the fat-cats fatter by squeezing every last dime from us without increasing quality of service.
My System VII
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 555 BE Asus M4N72-E BFG GeForce 8600 GTS OC 2 Gig Corsair Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Blue Caviar 320Gb SATA Lite-On DVD Writer (DVD/DL-DVD/CD Burner) Windows 7 Ultimate Acer 191W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Pro 4000 BFG 800 Watt Thermaltake Sunami Dream Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
My System VII
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 555 BE Asus M4N72-E BFG GeForce 8600 GTS OC 2 Gig Corsair Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Blue Caviar 320Gb SATA Lite-On DVD Writer (DVD/DL-DVD/CD Burner) Windows 7 Ultimate Acer 191W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Pro 4000 BFG 800 Watt Thermaltake Sunami Dream Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 47
[QUOTE=Raziel;3873334]Personal opinion, they should provide the level of service that they advertise. No caps, no limitations, no restrictions. that's the service that I agreed to,
QUOTE]

I am not sure that your statement is correct. The Comcast Terms of Service are clear on this.

From the TOS

"The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion. Common activities that may cause excessive bandwidth consumption in violation of this Policy include, but are not limited to, numerous or continuous bulk transfers of files and other high capacity traffic using (i) file transfer protocol ("FTP"), (ii) peer-to-peer applications, and (iii) newsgroups, whether provided by Comcast or a third party. You must also ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other person's use of the Service, nor represent (as determined by Comcast in its sole discretion) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you must ensure that your use of the Service does not limit or interfere with Comcast's ability to deliver and monitor the Service or any part of its network"

This will probably evolve to a point where people who use a lot more than average will pay more. Tiered usage model is the only one that makes sense.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD+nVidia View Post
Easy solution, don't use the internet!!

But seriously, if they do the limit thing, they BETTER have unlimited versions. In my family, we downloads 2-3TB a month.
What in the hell are you downloading???
Hex
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 1100T ASUS M4A89TD GTX 470 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 500GB + WD 1TB LG DVD RW Windows 7 Pro Viewsonic 24" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft X6 Cooler Master 750W Antec 300 CM Storm Sentinel 
  hide details  
Reply
Hex
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 1100T ASUS M4A89TD GTX 470 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 500GB + WD 1TB LG DVD RW Windows 7 Pro Viewsonic 24" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft X6 Cooler Master 750W Antec 300 CM Storm Sentinel 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZionEx View Post
What in the hell are you downloading???
not just that, but hope you don't live in my neighborhood
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by gooddog View Post
I am not sure that your statement is correct. The Comcast Terms of Service are clear on this.

From the TOS

"The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion. Common activities that may cause excessive bandwidth consumption in violation of this Policy include, but are not limited to, numerous or continuous bulk transfers of files and other high capacity traffic using (i) file transfer protocol ("FTP"), (ii) peer-to-peer applications, and (iii) newsgroups, whether provided by Comcast or a third party. You must also ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other person's use of the Service, nor represent (as determined by Comcast in its sole discretion) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you must ensure that your use of the Service does not limit or interfere with Comcast's ability to deliver and monitor the Service or any part of its network"

This will probably evolve to a point where people who use a lot more than average will pay more. Tiered usage model is the only one that makes sense.
Oh, with the quoting here, I'll ask this, what is the "typical residential user"?? Is that someone that sucks on the teet of comcast and pays fees for PPV movies, or someone that pays for online distribution of same content for better rates?? Is that someone that plays WoW, or is that someone that only uses the internet for the explicit use of e-mail only?? This is the area that they don't state. I'm a residential user, and refuse to pay for the PPV movies that they offer, so I get them through netflix online, and I download them. Does that mean I'm not a typical user?? does that mean I'm doing illegal activities??

Personally, it's a way to make anything that they want to classify as excessive and cut your service, throttle your service, and do whatever they feel is necessary. There is no way to classify a "typical residential user" because there's not any!! It's a way for the business to restrict competition with the lines of netfilx online that you can stream your films directly without paying for their (Comcast) additional services Heaven forbid we don't pay for everything from Comcast!!

nothing like conducting business which will PUSH your present customers to the competition when it's available. FiOS FTW!!
Edited by Raziel - 5/16/08 at 11:15am
My System VII
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 555 BE Asus M4N72-E BFG GeForce 8600 GTS OC 2 Gig Corsair Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Blue Caviar 320Gb SATA Lite-On DVD Writer (DVD/DL-DVD/CD Burner) Windows 7 Ultimate Acer 191W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Pro 4000 BFG 800 Watt Thermaltake Sunami Dream Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
My System VII
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 555 BE Asus M4N72-E BFG GeForce 8600 GTS OC 2 Gig Corsair Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Blue Caviar 320Gb SATA Lite-On DVD Writer (DVD/DL-DVD/CD Burner) Windows 7 Ultimate Acer 191W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Pro 4000 BFG 800 Watt Thermaltake Sunami Dream Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
Oh, with the quoting here,

nothing like conducting business which will PUSH your present customers to the competition when it's available. FiOS FTW!!
No one said anything about using more than average is "illegal" so you are over-reacting.

I think you are overly optimistic that FiOS will create a world in which everyone can download as much as they want for one low price. It may start that way, but it will go to metered or tiered usage eventually. Pay for how much bandwidth you use sounds reasonable to me.

The idea of "typical" user is clearly something that evolves over time based on how applications are being adopted and how the network is built (and priced to support that). But as an example, the person who downloads 2T/month is probably not typical. i would probably also argue that the 250g/month number that comcast mentioned covers a vast percentage of users.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k Asus Pro Sapphire 6970 Corsair 4x4 
Hard DriveOSPowerMouse Pad
corsair 300 win 7 x64 None My desk 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [TorrentFreak] Comcast lied to FCC, still blocks Bittorrent traffic