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LOL some watercooling people get so defensive when you compare air temps to water..

Great stuff dude, lots of effort, i like it!
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Yeah, really. Also, 65*F? Try it with 90-100*F and see how it goes. Those temps. are still 25-30*C above ambient (on average), all the while a good WC system can do as low as 15-20*C even with the above temps. Mine does 30*C above on full load, but that's with both a CPU and GPU with a meager GTS240. I'm sorry, but air will never be as good as a good water loop.
This is 20C above ambient. And I can always open a window and knock another 5C off. And the point is that I did this on air, without wasting 300$. I'm not saying this is better than every loop ever made.
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LOL some watercooling people get so defensive when you compare air temps to water..

Great stuff dude, lots of effort, i like it!
Lol, yeah...

I think they're in denial that they just blew 300+$ for something that gives them 5C less than 60$ and a bit of work.

edit:
You can't blame them for being defensive. I would *probably* get mad at a TRUE owner with the same temps as me. Actually I probably wouldn't, but for the sake of the argument I would.
Edited by Adrienspawn - 5/18/08 at 4:11pm
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Number one immutable rule in cooling (also applies to water cooling): Ambient air temperatures are the number one factor in determining full load temperatures. The lower the ambients, the lower the system temps.
    
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Lol, yeah. I think they're in denial that they just blew 300+$ for something that gives them 5C less than 60$ and a bit of work.
5C, ok...one i never even attacked you. But as seen as you poste that ignorant statement...here goes

1. Temperatures are not linear to Vcore, big whoop you have 40C load on 1.25Vcore. That doesn't mean you will also have good load temperatures on 1.5Vcore.

Like i said, post them temperatures before you go rbagging about your $60 + work. We have WC for a reason.....it is called high volts.

I was going to congratulate you on the good temperatures and i have no problem with you reaching WC temps. But now you can shove it
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This is 20C above ambient. And I can always open a window and knock another 5C off. And the point is that I did this on air, without wasting 300$. I'm not saying this is better than every loop ever made.

Your ambient is low, which is the ideal environment for air cooling. I say again, do it in +90*F ambient and with a much heavier overclock/overvolt, and tell me how it goes. By the way, those are the type of temps. I get with my CPU+GPU loop in 70*F room temperature.

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Lol, yeah. I think they're in denial that they just blew 300+$ for something that gives them 5C less than 60$ and a bit of work.
Not defensive. Just keeping things in perspective. You keep saying that you can achieve the same level of cooling performance as a water system, but with air, which is not entirely true. You can get close, but never match the same level of efficiency. Given the right conditions (low ambient temps. for one) a good air system with some slight modifications can get close to what water can do, however. Good air will never match good water, period, unless you bend the rules of thermodynamics.
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Yeah, really. Also, 65*F? Try it with 90-100*F and see how it goes. Those temps. are still 25-30*C above ambient (on average), all the while a good WC system can do as low as 15-20*C even with the above temps. Mine does 30*C above on full load, but that's with both a CPU and GPU with a meager GTS240. I'm sorry, but air will never be as good as a good water loop.
If I recall correctly, the name of this thread is "Water Temps on AIR after some mods", not "My Air Temps are Better Than a 'Good Water Loop' (as Defined by Melcar)'".

Of course high-end watercooling loops will likely have better temps than air cooling. That's not the point here. He said, "water temps", which by definition encompasses all water temps, even (relatively) poor ones.

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Not defensive. Just keeping things in perspective. You keep saying that you can achieve the same level of cooling performance as a water system, but with air, which is not entirely true. You can get close, but never match the same level of efficiency. Given the right conditions (low ambient temps. for one) a good air system with some slight modifications can get close to what water can do, however. Good air will never match good water, period, unless you bend the rules of thermodynamics.
You are actually taking things out of perspective and putting them into your own, by forcing compliance to your specific levels of defined 'watercooling' - instead the original claim (of any watercooling).

Again, "good air will never match water", is an illogical statement and just plain wrong. Because again, it is still POSSIBLE. Keep in mind, "water" means ALL watercooling setups, not ones specifically defined by you.
Edited by Choggs396 - 5/18/08 at 10:39am
    
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Seriously guys this fella has some insane temps and was just comparing them to water, no need to get all jealous and defensive of your precious water cooling. Can't you just be happy and say "nice temps"?
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nice mods bump that baby up to 3600 or more.
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If I recall correctly, the name of this thread is "Water Temps on AIR after some mods", not "My Air Temps are Better Than a 'Good Water Loop' (as Defined by Melcar)'".

Of course high-end watercooling loops will likely have better temps than air cooling. That's not the point here. He said, "water temps", which by definition encompasses all water temps, even (relatively) poor ones.
It's still air, just the same as if I moded my WC loop it would still be water. You can increase the efficiency of an air cooling system with mods, but it's still an air cooling system. The point of this thread is so the OP can brag (what's the "nicer" form of brag?) that he can achieve near WC temps. on high end air, to which I responded by saying that it depends on the circumstances. Low overvolting + low ambient temps. + high end air cooler (with mods) = very cool CPU. That's an obvious equation, but substitute some of the variables and the answer will be drastically different.
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