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It's still air, just the same as if I moded my WC loop it would still be water. You can increase the efficiency of an air cooling system with mods, but it's still an air cooling system. The point of this thread is so the OP can brag (what's the "nicer" form of brag?) that he can achieve near WC temps. on high end air, to which I responded by saying that it depends on the circumstances. Low overvolting + low ambient temps. + high end air cooler (with mods) = very cool CPU. That's an obvious equation, but substitute some of the variables and the answer will be drastically different.
Not arguing but playing a little devil's advocate here: If you had popcorn kernals in your loop, your temps would be off. You don't because you made sure that particular variable doesn't come into play. Just like the OP ensured all variables were in place before posting his results.

Why go to 90c ambients if this isn't where you'll be functioning? On the other hand, up that vcore, you have a tun of room and that's what we're about here in the first place.
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It's still air, just the same as if I moded my WC loop it would still be water. You can increase the efficiency of an air cooling system with mods, but it's still an air cooling system. The point of this thread is so the OP can brag (what's the "nicer" form of brag?) that he can achieve near WC temps. on high end air, to which I responded by saying that it depends on the circumstances. Low overvolting + low ambient temps. + high end air cooler (with mods) = very cool CPU. That's an obvious equation, but substitute some of the variables and the answer will be drastically different.
What is your point here? That air cooling is air cooling and watercooling is watercooling? And different circumstances me yield different results? Of course they are, and of course they will. That just helps (at least it should) illustrate the very simple point I'm trying to make.

None of what you said makes the fact (and my point) the OP's aircooling temps can (definition: Used to indicate possibility or probability) be equal to or better than some (or any) watercooling setups (which obviously includes the not-so-great ones.) That is just a pure point of logic. Sorry to be redundant, but I feel you're forcing me to.

PS: Is there something wrong with "bragging" (as you put it) about temps here? Isn't a big part of OCN posting impressive results and feeling good about our accomplishments?
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Lol, yeah. I think they're in denial that they just blew 300+$ for something that gives them 5C less than 60$ and a bit of work.


-Water-Cooling can be done for far less than $300
- 5C can mean the difference between 3.6GHz & 4.0GHz on a C2Q on water

Abyss runs around 45C at load, 32C idle.

Enuff defending the water-heads like myself

I have a QX9650@3.8GHz(~1.38v) being cooled by a TRUE with a 120mm fan in a make-shift tech station folding 24/7 & I am very impressed with it's cooling ability. It's in my basement in around 65-68F ambient temps. Running dual SMP clients, it sticks around 50C on all 4 cores. Idle is around 28-30C. I'll be taking it up past 4.0 soon & hope that it doesn't fail me.

ThermalRight did something good with this HS! Nice Job on the lap!
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5C, ok...one i never even attacked you. But as seen as you poste that ignorant statement...here goes

1. Temperatures are not linear to Vcore, big whoop you have 40C load on 1.25Vcore. That doesn't mean you will also have good load temperatures on 1.5Vcore.

Like i said, post them temperatures before you go rbagging about your $60 + work. We have WC for a reason.....it is called high volts.

I was going to congratulate you on the good temperatures and i have no problem with you reaching WC temps. But now you can shove it
Was sarcasm. I still prefer the way water looks, if that helps

And I took what's-his-name's advice and bumped Vcore to 1.53 in BIOS.

Im getting the same idles, with load of about 3 more. (46-46-44-44). This is after half an hour, but as before, I don't expect it to go up much.

EDIT: I'll have it run longer for you guys, but it makes surfing this site less fun and my parents are due back in an hour. Aka: Adrien! What is that noise! Turn that thing down!
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It's still air, just the same as if I moded my WC loop it would still be water. You can increase the efficiency of an air cooling system with mods, but it's still an air cooling system. The point of this thread is so the OP can brag (what's the "nicer" form of brag?) that he can achieve near WC temps. on high end air, to which I responded by saying that it depends on the circumstances. Low overvolting + low ambient temps. + high end air cooler (with mods) = very cool CPU. That's an obvious equation, but substitute some of the variables and the answer will be drastically different.
Basically you're saying that if I higher my ambient or bump my Vcore my temps would be higher. That's true, and? Why would any sane person increase their ambient temps lol. I never said I can cope with 5.245Vcore or 200C ambients. And I'm not bragging, I just made this thread so people can know that, with enough love, a good air solution can match that of some WC loops.
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Basically you're saying that if I higher my ambient or bump my Vcore my temps would be higher. That's true, and? Why would any sane person increase their ambient temps lol. I never said I can cope with 5.245Vcore or 200C ambients. And I'm not bragging, I just made this thread so people can know that, with enough love, a good air solution can match that of some WC loops.
I think his point was that your temps are as impressive as they are not only because of your lovely work (which it really is; you deserve kudos for that), but because of your ambient temperatures.

If I had the same ambient temperatures as you do, it's likely that I can get comparable temperatures as yours. As things are, in the oven that is my bedroom, my rise over ambient temps at full load is around 23 degrees C.

At the end of the day, rise over ambient temps is really where all temp discussions make sense. And the lower the ambients, the less the temp will rise (the opposite, of course, is true).
    
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-Water-Cooling can be done for far less than $300
- 5C can mean the difference between 3.6GHz & 4.0GHz on a C2Q on water

Abyss runs around 45C at load, 32C idle.

Enuff defending the water-heads like myself

I have a QX9650@3.8GHz(~1.38v) being cooled by a TRUE with a 120mm fan in a make-shift tech station folding 24/7 & I am very impressed with it's cooling ability. It's in my basement in around 65-68F ambient temps. Running dual SMP clients, it sticks around 50C on all 4 cores. Idle is around 28-30C. I'll be taking it up past 4.0 soon & hope that it doesn't fail me.

ThermalRight did something good with this HS! Nice Job on the lap!
I don't think people want to know about premade kits and anything under 200$, though. A TRUE alone can compete with the lower loops, but with a few mods I believe that it compares to higher-end loops, around 300$. Thats without getting used parts or anything, and without going cheap on tubing or a res. And as long as you are under, like, 80C, you can make any overclock without melting your chip. It's the mobo that restricts you, not the temps.

Sorry I'm venting all this on you, BTW I'm getting a bit more "Dude you hacked your TRUE'' and ''Let's see what will happen if you throw the TRUE in lava''.
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I just really have to say; this is some fine ingenuity and excellent work. I'm very impressed.

You may have just inspired me to do the same to my TRUE. Competition, maybe?
    
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I still don't understand why people can't just admire all the work this guy did to get better temps.

So if you got a 4ghz OC on water and I got a 4ghz OC on air, I shouldn't be happy and post my results? The whole point of this site is to try cool stuff and see how it works. This guy puts hours of work into air cooling mods to get better temps and you refuse to recognize this.
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And I took what's-his-name's advide and bumped Vcore to 1.53 in BIOS.

Im getting the same idles, with load of about 3 more. (46-46-44-44). This is after half an hour, but as before, I don't expect it to go up much.

Holy canoli, batman!

This is impressive at that particular vcore. Screenie?

EDIT: I agree with Kopi.
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