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The 9800GTX is indeed more powerful than the 8800GTS and overclocks better as long as price isn't the issue.

The 9800GTX is about as powerful as an 8800GTX if that puts it into perspective.
To put it into better perspective, the 9800GTX is less than 5% faster than the 8800GTS; yet it costs around 33% more.

And saying it "overclocks better" is a little misleading. They both overclock very well. The 9800GTX starts at higher clocks; so (from what I've seen) it subsequently achieves slightly higher maximum frequencies. But that's about it. They use the same G92 core (probably "binned" higher for the 9800GTX). The ending difference isn't huge by any means. The thing is; you're still likely to see around the same 5% performance difference when both are overclocked to their max.

The reason why the memory achieves higher frequencies on the 9800GTX is simply because the timings have been loosened (sorry I can't find the link ATM). So while the GTX is generally capable of higher memory frequencies, the memory actually performs better on the GTS at the same frequency. This has been proven by Expreview. To demonstrate, they overclocked the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX to the EXACT same clocks - and the 8800GTS G92, on average, performed better.

So when considering the 8800GTS G92 vs. 9800GTX, you have to ask yourself - is 75 to 100 dollars with a 5% performance increase - and could that money be better spent elsewhere? If you're building a new rig (and actually have a budget limit), you'd probably be able to increase the performance more than 5% by putting the 75 bucks towards a different component. That would make buying a 9800GTX completely redundant.

Oh, and the 8800GTX. It usually outperforms both the 8800GTS and 9800GTX at high res + AA/AF. There have also been accounts of less "lags" (frame rate drops & minimum frames) when playing games, probably due to the superior 768MB of 384-bit memory. They aren't as good at low res & no AA/AF, however. But the overall difference is minimal. Since they're getting much more scarce, if you can find one in the low-$300 range you're lucky. So the 8800GTX price-to-performance ratio ATM is rather poor, and not really worth it for most.
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To put it into better perspective, the 9800GTX is less than 5% faster than the 8800GTS; yet it costs around 33% more.

And saying it "overclocks better" is a little misleading. They both overclock very well. The 9800GTX starts at higher clocks; so (from what I've seen) it subsequently achieves slightly higher maximum frequencies. But that's about it. They use the same G92 core (probably "binned" higher for the 9800GTX). The ending difference isn't huge by any means. The thing is; you're still likely to see around the same 5% performance difference when both are overclocked to their max.

The reason why the memory achieves higher frequencies on the 9800GTX is simply because the timings have been loosened (sorry I can't find the link ATM). So while the GTX is generally capable of higher memory frequencies, the memory actually performs better on the GTS at the same frequency. This has been proven by Expreview. To demonstrate, they overclocked the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX to the EXACT same clocks - and the 8800GTS G92, on average, performed better.

So when considering the 8800GTS G92 vs. 9800GTX, you have to ask yourself - is 75 to 100 dollars with a 5% performance increase - and could that money be better spent elsewhere? If you're building a new rig (and actually have a budget limit), you'd probably be able to increase the performance more than 5% by putting the 75 bucks towards a different component. That would make buying a 9800GTX completely redundant.

Oh, and the 8800GTX. It usually outperforms both the 8800GTS and 9800GTX at high res + AA/AF. There have also been accounts of less "lags" (frame rate drops & minimum frames) when playing games, probably due to the superior 768MB of 384-bit memory. They aren't as good at low res & no AA/AF, however. But the overall difference is minimal. Since they're getting much more scarce, if you can find one in the low-$300 range you're lucky. So the 8800GTX price-to-performance ratio ATM is rather poor, and not really worth it for most.
True.

Unless you really care about aesthetics like I do, I suggest going for the 8800GTS 512 for lower resolutions or the 8800GTX for higher resolutions. I only paid for the extra 20-30MHz overclock, the black PCB, and the GTX branding, though I did get them for $270 shipped a piece so what the hell.
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True.

Unless you really care about aesthetics like I do, I suggest going for the 8800GTS 512 for lower resolutions or the 8800GTX for higher resolutions. I only paid for the extra 20-30MHz overclock, the black PCB, and the GTX branding, though I did get them for $270 shipped a piece so what the hell.
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Back PCB's do rule.
I couldn't resist.

But honestly if it's on sale for just about as much as the GTS 512, why the hell not. It's only a stupid move if it's at its usual $300.

BTW I went to Radioshack and got a new soldering iron, so that 810Mhz core isn't staying for long.
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They will overclock a bit higher, if you can find a GTX for around the same price as a GTS which I assume you will, jump on a GTX. I personally went for the GTS, the extra OC didn't justify the cost at the time.
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To put it into better perspective, the 9800GTX is less than 5% faster than the 8800GTS; yet it costs around 33% more.

And saying it "overclocks better" is a little misleading. They both overclock very well. The 9800GTX starts at higher clocks; so (from what I've seen) it subsequently achieves slightly higher maximum frequencies. But that's about it. They use the same G92 core (probably "binned" higher for the 9800GTX). The ending difference isn't huge by any means. The thing is; you're still likely to see around the same 5% performance difference when both are overclocked to their max.

The reason why the memory achieves higher frequencies on the 9800GTX is simply because the timings have been loosened (sorry I can't find the link ATM). So while the GTX is generally capable of higher memory frequencies, the memory actually performs better on the GTS at the same frequency. This has been proven by Expreview. To demonstrate, they overclocked the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX to the EXACT same clocks - and the 8800GTS G92, on average, performed better.

So when considering the 8800GTS G92 vs. 9800GTX, you have to ask yourself - is 75 to 100 dollars with a 5% performance increase - and could that money be better spent elsewhere? If you're building a new rig (and actually have a budget limit), you'd probably be able to increase the performance more than 5% by putting the 75 bucks towards a different component. That would make buying a 9800GTX completely redundant.

Oh, and the 8800GTX. It usually outperforms both the 8800GTS and 9800GTX at high res + AA/AF. There have also been accounts of less "lags" (frame rate drops & minimum frames) when playing games, probably due to the superior 768MB of 384-bit memory. They aren't as good at low res & no AA/AF, however. But the overall difference is minimal. Since they're getting much more scarce, if you can find one in the low-$300 range you're lucky. So the 8800GTX price-to-performance ratio ATM is rather poor, and not really worth it for most.
Most of your post was about the price difference and how this made the GTS better. Read the OP please. He asked which was better.
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clock for clock, its THE same, it may come at a higher speed, but the EVGA 8800GTS KO has about the same clock speeds out of the box for $50 less. the thing i dont like about the 9800gtx is it needs 2 pci-e connectors, the 8800gts only needs one. the 9800gtx will do tri sli vs just dual sli with the 8800gts, but there is NO WAY your psu will handle 3 9800gtx's and have 6 pci-e connectors. i would just get the EVGA 8800GTS 512 KO
Actually, clock for clock the G92 8800GTS is faster and it has been proven in benchmarks. This is due to the 8800GTS tighter memory timings. At the end of the day though they both share the same overclocking limits.
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Most of your post was about the price difference and how this made the GTS better.
So, "most of my post was about the price difference" and why that makes the GTS better? Actually, most was just about the specs and subsequent performance differences. All the real numbers and actual data are objective. Introduction of the price (and furthermore, my opinion of those prices) doesn't somehow invalidate those figures.

I took the liberty of highlighting the information in my post that was not about price for you:

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To put it into better perspective, the 9800GTX is less than 5% faster than the 8800GTS; yet it costs around 33% more.

And saying it "overclocks better" is a little misleading. They both overclock very well. The 9800GTX starts at higher clocks; so (from what I've seen) it subsequently achieves slightly higher maximum frequencies. But that's about it. They use the same G92 core (probably "binned" higher for the 9800GTX). The ending difference isn't huge by any means. The thing is; you're still likely to see around the same 5% performance difference when both are overclocked to their max.

The reason why the memory achieves higher frequencies on the 9800GTX is simply because the timings have been loosened (sorry I can't find the link ATM). So while the GTX is generally capable of higher memory frequencies, the memory actually performs better on the GTS at the same frequency. This has been proven by Expreview. To demonstrate, they overclocked the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX to the EXACT same clocks - and the 8800GTS G92, on average, performed better.

So when considering the 8800GTS G92 vs. 9800GTX, you have to ask yourself - is 75 to 100 dollars with a 5% performance increase - and could that money be better spent elsewhere? If you're building a new rig (and actually have a budget limit), you'd probably be able to increase the performance more than 5% by putting the 75 bucks towards a different component. That would make buying a 9800GTX completely redundant.

Oh, and the 8800GTX. It usually outperforms both the 8800GTS and 9800GTX at high res + AA/AF. There have also been accounts of less "lags" (frame rate drops & minimum frames) when playing games, probably due to the superior 768MB of 384-bit memory. They aren't as good at low res & no AA/AF, however. But the overall difference is minimal. Since they're getting much more scarce, if you can find one in the low-$300 range you're lucky. So the 8800GTX price-to-performance ratio ATM is rather poor, and not really worth it for most.
As you can see, most of it was actually about performance (not about price).

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Read the OP please. He asked which was better.
"Better" is a subjective term. BUT even if we are talking about pure performance only, it would be unforthcoming to simply say "the 9800GTX performs better" without giving people the full story. It's better to provide knowledge than just give a simple answer as if it were in black and white (and not provide important information apt to the subject). And the fact of the matter is; price is usually important when considering a purchase.

So, I've provided PLENTY of performance information, which I also incorporated into the price factor (a.k.a. price-to-performance). In fact, I provided a link to a reliable website with numerous performance figures and gave quite a bit of data. I actually find it kind of strange that you seem to insist on performance figures, yet on that subject, it seems I've provided much more (and more objective figures) than you have at this point.
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Most of your post was about the price difference and how this made the GTS better. Read the OP please. He asked which was better.
9800GX2.

Honestly I couldn't tell the difference between my 9800GTXs and that GTS 512 I had a while ago other than physical properties. The 9800 only clocks a teeny bit higher and that was it. You could tell how much a 9800GTX is by simply looking at the PCB. I haven't seen so much empty space on a high-end card for a while. Oh well that just makes it easier to solder when it comes to voltmodding.

It looks good, that's really it.
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So, "most of my post was about the price difference" and why that makes the GTS better? Actually, most was just about the specs and subsequent performance differences. All the real numbers and actual data are objective. Introduction of the price (and furthermore, my opinion of those prices) doesn't somehow invalidate those figures.

I took the liberty of highlighting the information in my post that was not about price for you:

As you can see, most of it was actually about performance (not about price).

"Better" is a subjective term. BUT even if we are talking about pure performance only, it would be unforthcoming to simply say "the 9800GTX performs better" without giving people the full story. It's better to provide knowledge than just give a simple answer as if it were in black and white (and not provide important information apt to the subject). And the fact of the matter is; price is usually important when considering a purchase.

So, I've provided PLENTY of performance information, which I also incorporated into the price factor (a.k.a. price-to-performance). In fact, I provided a link to a reliable website with numerous performance figures and gave quite a bit of data. I actually find it kind of strange that you seem to insist on performance figures, yet on that subject, it seems I've provided much more (and more objective figures) than you have at this point.
Woah brother, chill. I was merely saying that you did point out information that he wasn't directly asking for. Of course the entire point of this forum is to provide advice but he specifically said price wasn't the issue so I thought he wanted a very direct answer. Everything you said in your original post was very true. There really is no good reason to get a 9800GTX at the moment.
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