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The reason why the memory achieves higher frequencies on the 9800GTX is simply because the timings have been loosened (sorry I can't find the link ATM). So while the GTX is generally capable of higher memory frequencies, the memory actually performs better on the GTS at the same frequency. This has been proven by Expreview. To demonstrate, they overclocked the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX to the EXACT same clocks - and the 8800GTS G92, on average, performed better.
The looser timings are certainly true, but the memory on the GTX can be clocked much higher than the memory on the typical GTS.

I've used four 92 cards (two GTs and two GTSes) with the 1.0ns Qimonda. Not a single one of them was 100% stable at more than 1000MHz (2000 DDR) memory clock in looped runs of 3DMark 2003. In the same test the 0.8ns Samsung memory on most 9800GTX cards can usually clock 100-200MHz higher, which more than makes up for any differences in memory timings, by far.

That said, the G92s are only really bandwidth limited at the very highest resolutions, and the memory clock is probably going to have the smallest effect on performance.
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Woah brother, chill. I was merely saying that you did point out information that he wasn't directly asking for. Of course the entire point of this forum is to provide advice but he specifically said price wasn't the issue so I thought he wanted a very direct answer. Everything you said in your original post was very true. There really is no good reason to get a 9800GTX at the moment.
Then why would you rudely ask me to "read the OP please"? Of course I read the OP, come on now.

Just because he didn't specifically ask for the information doesn't mean it isn't appropriate to give it. Given the situation, it was very appropriate. And I'm sure he's better off knowing it, as well.
    
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Then why would you rudely ask me to "read the OP please"? Of course I read the OP, come on now.

Just because he didn't specifically ask for the information doesn't mean it isn't appropriate to give it. Given the situation, it was very appropriate. And I'm sure he's better off knowing it, as well.
Read the word "please". If I came off harsh or rude I am sincerely apologetic. It was never my intention.
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The looser timings are certainly true, but the memory on the GTX can be clocked much higher than the memory on the typical GTS.

I've used four 92 cards (two GTs and two GTSes) with the 1.0ns Qimonda. Not a single one of them was 100% stable at more than 1000MHz (2000 DDR) memory clock in looped runs of 3DMark 2003. In the same test the 0.8ns Samsung memory on most 9800GTX cards can usually clock 100-200MHz higher, which more than makes up for any differences in memory timings, by far.

That said, the G92s are only really bandwidth limited at the very highest resolutions, and the memory clock is probably going to have the smallest effect on performance.
True. Although the GTS may have slightly better performance clock for clock, the Qimonda memory chips have a really hard time staying stable over 2000mhz, and I've heard of some going bad over that speed. I got mine to 2050 MAX, and only use that speed for benchmarking. the 9800GTX is obviously a faster card than the GTS, period, but you have to ask yourself if spending the extra cash for an upgrade that you really won't even see is worth it.
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Read the word "please". If I came off harsh or rude I am sincerely apologetic. It was never my intention.
By asking me to read the OP again, you obviously implied I didn't know what the original poster was asking. I obviously did though. That's why I gave him the information I did. I believe you just disagreed in whether or not I should have provided it. Considering the information in question was valid and relevant to the issue, I'm inclined to say I was still apt in doing so.
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The looser timings are certainly true, but the memory on the GTX can be clocked much higher than the memory on the typical GTS.

I've used four 92 cards (two GTs and two GTSes) with the 1.0ns Qimonda. Not a single one of them was 100% stable at more than 1000MHz (2000 DDR) memory clock in looped runs of 3DMark 2003. In the same test the 0.8ns Samsung memory on most 9800GTX cards can usually clock 100-200MHz higher, which more than makes up for any differences in memory timings, by far.
Having no prob above 1000MHz here. And it's still going.
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Don't forget why SLI existed in the first place. It was created for high-def gaming.

If anything, I noticed that these 9800GTXs scale better in SLI. While one card may stutter at higher res, put 2 in SLI and you'd have more than enough raw power to overcome that limitation. It's more or less like brute forcing.

SLI splits the work evenly, and the same process duplicates on both card's memory. True, I still get 512MB, but essentially it acts like 512MB on 512-bit.

I might not fully understand how this all works behind the scene, but as far as gameplay goes, 9800GTX is the better card for SLI while 8800GTX is the better card for a single-GPU setup on high-res.

There's also another reason why I went from 8800GTX SLI to 9800GTX SLI. I don't care much about power consumption, but as for heat, single 8800GTX is 100% acceptable. When you get 2 in SLI, they would create so much heat that it affects your entire computer and your room temperatures. Don't forget, the heatsink design of the 8800GTX circulates at least half of its heat back into the case, so that became a problem in SLI.
Not that I care, but it seems like a bit of a contradiction from your earlier posts. You said the G92 GTS is pretty much the same card as the 9800GTX but clocked slightly higher. However, didn't you also have a pair of GTS and then change to the 8800GTX because you said you were getting higher maximum frame rates with the GTS but it wasn't as smooth as the 8800GTX's?

Don't take this as an arguement. I can Step Up to a 9800GTX at no cost besides the cost of shipping and I'm just trying to get some real world feedback. For me, I'm not too concerned with heat generation.

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the 8800gts 512 runs nice and cool, and can take a super dooper overclock! i have mine running at 800/2000/1000
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The looser timings are certainly true, but the memory on the GTX can be clocked much higher than the memory on the typical GTS.

I've used four 92 cards (two GTs and two GTSes) with the 1.0ns Qimonda. Not a single one of them was 100% stable at more than 1000MHz (2000 DDR) memory clock in looped runs of 3DMark 2003. In the same test the 0.8ns Samsung memory on most 9800GTX cards can usually clock 100-200MHz higher, which more than makes up for any differences in memory timings, by far.

That said, the G92s are only really bandwidth limited at the very highest resolutions, and the memory clock is probably going to have the smallest effect on performance.
Sorry to hear that... Qimonda GDDR3 does suck. Fortunately for me though I landed Samsung. Most the newer GTS's seem to have the samsung memory.

GFX : 8800gts G92 @ 840/2256/2098



IFF GT200 is a ridiculous monster that costs ~$499 then I'll just upgrade to it... But if it's only 50% faster than my current card @ stock I'll invest in WC and perform a v-mod. I want 900mhz core and 2250mhz shader dammit!

@ OP Price aside, stock 9800GTX is better... But considering both RV770 and GT200 are so close to launching I think waiting a month is worth it.
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8800 Gts (g92) Ftw!
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