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post #11 of 21
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"Because of their high price and moderate consumer interest"



Gee, I wonder why the consumer interest is moderate? High price maybe?

The Blu-ray consortium needs to remove its head from its rear and get the prices down into the DVD area. They are missing out on valuable sales time in blu-ray's life cycle, and keeping prices high as we head into an economic slump is silly.

If they don't drop prices signifigantly very soon, they are going to end up turning their format into another laserdisc.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching Blu-ray movies, I set up a Optoma HD80 projecting onto a 126" Da-lite widescreen a couple months ago, and it is nothing short of amazing. It feels like you are going to fall into the movie, or like you could get up out of your chair and walk into the scene. DVD is nothing in comparison when viewed on a quality display.
Are you kidding me? How can you expect Blu-Ray hardware to be as cheap as DVD hardware or even remotely close? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Yeah those 9800GTX's look great but until Nvidia gets its head out of its rear and prices the 9800GTX into the 8800GT price range I'm sticking with my 8-series . Actually a better comparison is you expecting the 9800GTX to be in the price range of a GeForce 3 or 4, because that's how old the DVD is!
Edited by Guruboy - 5/18/08 at 6:02pm
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post #12 of 21
Excellent. Thats great to hear.
I agree dude(gtarmanrob). I don't think we will ever see dvds ever phased out. I mean weren't cds meant to replace floppy(they still do exist) and dvds were meant to replace cds? I don't think any of the storage medium will ever get replaced.

I went to officeworks the other day and they still sell them(i.e. floppy disks).
My 780i mobo still provides support the cable came with the mobo and its meant to be like the second best mobo ever.

I have no intention of moving on blue-ray because A) its bloody expensive b) its a sony product which I would like to avoid as much as possible.
post #13 of 21
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Are you kidding me? How can you expect Blu-Ray hardware to be as cheap as DVD hardware or even remotely close? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Yeah those 9800GTX's look great but until Nvidia gets its head out of its rear and prices the 9800GTX into the 8800GT price range I'm sticking with my 8-series . Actually a better comparison is you expecting the 9800GTX to be in the price range of a GeForce 3 or 4, because that's how old the DVD is!
Where did I say that it needed to be as cheap as DVD? I guess the closest thing I said to that was in the DVD "area". Why did you need to use some convoluted analogy to take a stab at my video card? The price scaling doesn't even match. Quite off topic... the tone of your post is fairly angry, do you have personal interest in Blu-ray?

I can expect Blu-ray to drop into that area, because if it doesn't the Blu-ray group is going to miss their window, bigtime, just like the laserdisc, and the Blu-ray format is going to fall flat on its face. The market WILL speak, regardless of what price they try to push on it.

Right now the cheapest DVD player that can be had at walmart is $30. A decent-ish player costs $50. The discs can be had from $5 for decent titles, $10 for newer titles, and $20 for new releases. There is no reason why a cheapo blu-ray player should cost more than $150-200. The discs should be sold for $10-20, not $20-30. At this time it costs TEN TIMES the price of the cheapest DVD setup to get into Blu-ray. The value is not there for the average consumer, and Blu-ray's sales are showing it. Obviously the consumer disagrees with your opinion of what it should cost.

Grocery prices rise steadily over time, but mainstream consumer electronics prices are supposed to drop over time, even counting inflation. Blu-ray is hardly a "brand new" technology anymore, and after this long on the market for the manufacturers to say sales are "surprisingly low" while maintaining the same bloated price as at release is just plain absurd.
post #14 of 21
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Where did I say that it needed to be as cheap as DVD? I guess the closest thing I said to that was in the DVD "area". Why did you need to use some convoluted analogy to take a stab at my video card? The price scaling doesn't even match. Quite off topic... the tone of your post is fairly angry, do you have personal interest in Blu-ray?

I can expect Blu-ray to drop into that area, because if it doesn't the Blu-ray group is going to miss their window, bigtime, just like the laserdisc, and the Blu-ray format is going to fall flat on its face. The market WILL speak, regardless of what price they try to push on it.

Right now the cheapest DVD player that can be had at walmart is $30. A decent-ish player costs $50. The discs can be had from $5 for decent titles, $10 for newer titles, and $20 for new releases. There is no reason why a cheapo blu-ray player should cost more than $150-200. The discs should be sold for $10-20, not $20-30. At this time it costs TEN TIMES the price of the cheapest DVD setup to get into Blu-ray. The value is not there for the average consumer, and Blu-ray's sales are showing it. Obviously the consumer disagrees with your opinion of what it should cost.

Grocery prices rise steadily over time, but mainstream consumer electronics prices are supposed to drop over time, even counting inflation. Blu-ray is hardly a "brand new" technology anymore, and after this long on the market for the manufacturers to say sales are "surprisingly low" while maintaining the same bloated price as at release is just plain absurd.
WOW you know what you are talking about
Settle down guys
post #15 of 21
It's kind of a bad time for a new format because the U.S. Economy is in a recession and they will have less customers due to tight money.
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i really don't see the point of blu-ray. 50gb... i don't really need it unless i want to do one huge music playlist on one disk, but i mean come on, the majority of people don't need it, or even find the use for it, except for game developers/publishers, and also movies. besides 1080P upconvert DVD players/recorders are becoming really popular, and are around $70+
Edited by Halo2Vista - 5/18/08 at 7:32pm
post #17 of 21
It has nothing to do with the price. If Blu-ray was to suddenly drop in price to $50 it still wouldn't be number 1. Sure lots of people would get blu-ray players/burners but DVDs would still be number 1. Why? Because even if you can burn or read 50gb of data from a disc, are you honestly going to take hours to do it? Blu-ray will take over when it becomes as fast to burn a full blu-ray disc as it does a dvd and when we actually need the space.
    
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They will probably make blu-ray versions of games in the next 2 years or so but theyll be like $5 more.
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I HATE HDCP. It's not neccesary yet we still have it! Gah!

Sorry for that.
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i really don't see the point of blu-ray. 50gb... i don't really need it unless i want to do one huge music playlist on one disk, but i mean come on, the majority of people don't need it, or even find the use for it, except for game developers/publishers, and also movies. besides 1080P upconvert DVD players/recorders are becoming really popular, and are around $70+
yeah, but a 50gb blu-ray disc would be a much cheaper option for data back-up as opposed to buying like a new hard drive.

and as Murlocke said, it will allow for game developers to make larger games. look at the detail in Crysis, and that fits on a DVD. imagine what game developers could accomplish with 50gb of space. uncompressed/lossless audio, way sharper/larger textures.

sure the games might take like 20-30gb to install lol...but hey, could be worth it
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