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To be clear this thread is not intended for a flame war. It is also not to be my intention of downing the PS3. I own one myself and think it has many great features. I could just as easily post the opposite thread, but that one is known as "Things the PS3 can do." All this being said, try to keep this intelligent and not go off topic.

What is your prediction on Sony's latest console for this generation? Do they keep their last place spot falling behind Xbox 360 and Wii in terms of both sales and success? Will they prevail above all? And what logic are you using to back up your statement?

Personally I think Sony will take 3rd place in this current generation of consoles. Wii is far outpacing PS3 and has sold more consoles (but, less games I believe) than X360. Even in Sony's homeland Japan the PS3 far pales in comparison to the Wii due to being overpriced, and lack of games. However, the PSP has been doing well. Even after winning the Hi Def. format war Sony has not seen a significant increase in numbers. Sony and Analysts predict 2 years for $200 Blu Ray players. At that time Microsoft will most likely be announcing an upcoming new console. And will Blu Ray movies come down in price? If not, analysts predict a bleak future for Blu Ray and possibly skipping Blu Ray altogether in favor of HD downloads or possible another format. Sony has been it's own worst thorn in their side. Far too often Sony has had a uppity attitude, high prices, and over confident in predicting in what consumers are willing to pay. I don't think people are going to jump from paying less than $10 for a DVD to more than $20 for a Blu Ray disc. That is niche audience if I ever heard of one. While Hi Def. is the best format for enthusiast consumers will not pay the outrageous prices companies are asking. Just look at Apples HiDef download sales. Why would consumers want to pay double for a movie that will look just fine to them on an upconvert DVD player (which sales are up for)?

I think Sony shot themselves in the foot with the new approach they used with PS3. They were way too confident coming from the success of the PS2. Several things that made the PS2 great are not present with the PS3. First and foremost the PS2 had a wider variety of games and many more RPG's. Folklore is the only RPG worth mentioning at this time. Secondly and to tie in with the first reason they had more developer support. The PS3 "is" noted by developers to be harder to program for. Next, they fell back on their promises. Everything from promised features to keeping backwards compatibility. Lastly, Sony has gone backwards with their hardware. Seriously, they went from technically superior models of 60GB and 20GB models to 80GB and then finally a 40GB model that has even less tech. features and no backwards compatibility. For a company that still supports PS2 (which in some areas still outsells PS3) why would they decide not to support PS2 games? Kind of makes it hard for PS2 owners to justify an upgrade. Thus making it harder to advance your current gen. console.

Bringing this full circle from Sony's blunders with their console to their Hi Def. format one can only hope that significant changes are made sooner rather than later because if one thing has been proven is that people don't like to play the waiting game to buy games that take forever to come out or a Hi Def. format that will take forever to come down in price.

All that said I think this console generation is purely a transition to the next generation of which in my prediction will see some major overhauls and new standards for those who wish to stay in the game.
Edited by RoddimusPrime - 5/19/08 at 5:26pm
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First off, I own a PS3 and I could care less whether it sells more or less than the Wii or 360. I'm happy with my purchase and I don't care which console everyone else in the world prefers or owns.

I can agree that the game library is weaker than the 360, obviously the 360 had a year headstart. But I believe it was smart for the PS3 to use BD for its games, things might have been different if the 360 did the same and used the HD DVD for its games.
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I don't think people are going to jump from paying less than $10 for a DVD to more than $20 for a Blu Ray disc. That is niche audience if I ever heard of one.
Where the hell are you getting $10 DVD movies worth anything?

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First off, I own a PS3 and I could care less whether it sells more or less than the Wii or 360.
So you do care?
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Where the hell are you getting $10 DVD movies worth anything?

So you do care?

Sorry, couldn't care less.
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Most people who reply to this are going to be fans of Sony. For me I own all consoles and a great PC. I am sure I am bias to a degree. That being said everyone has their own opinion.

While sales of other consoles may mean nothing to an individual, it means a lot to a company and the business world. Satistics and numbers and profits/losses are what measure a large amount of success. In the end though we the gamers make it possible, it is still a business.

And when I mention DVD's for $10 it is is extremely easy to buy many different movies every week whether it is Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, etc. that are $10 or perhaps cheaper if a sale is being run to get people in a store. Yes, new releases are still more expensive, but typically in 3-6 months you can find them for significantly less. While Blu Ray has been out for only a relative short period of time, the only movies you can find for "cheap" when you walk into a Best Buy are the $17.99 BD and those typically have had horrid reviews due to a bad transfer and lack of features. The typical price is $24.99. Although every 2-3 weeks you can find a deal such as 2 for $30 out of these select movies or get $10 off if you buy these two BD's.

All in all it is much easier to walk into a store and find a good movie on DVD for a great price. Many people would find it hard to pay $24.99 for Fifth Element on Blu Ray versus $9.99 on DVD.
Edited by RoddimusPrime - 5/19/08 at 7:01am
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Most people who reply to this are going to be fans of Sony. For me I own all consoles and a great PC. I am sure I am bias to a degree. That being said everyone has their own opinion.

While sales of other consoles may mean nothing to an individual, it means a lot to a company and the business world. Satistics and numbers and profits/losses are what measure a large amount of success. In the end though we the gamers make it possible, it is still a business.

And when I mention DVD's for $10 it is is extremely easy to buy many different movies every week whether it is Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, etc. that are $10 or perhaps cheaper if a sale is being run to get people in a store. Yes, new releases are still more expensive, but typically in 3-6 months you can find them for significantly less. While Blu Ray has been out for only a relative short period of time, the only movies you can find for "cheap" when you walk into a Best Buy are the $17.99 BD and those typically have had horrid reviews due to a bad transfer and lack of features. The typical price is $24.99. Although every 2-3 weeks you can find a deal such as 2 for $30 out of these select movies or get $10 off if you buy these two BD's.

All in all it is much easier to walk into a store and find a good movie on DVD for a great price. Many people would find it hard to pay $24.99 for Fifth Element on Blu Ray versus $9.99 on DVD.
Like I said, where are you finding good movies for $10? They are on sale because they suck and they need to be taken off the shelves. Good movies on sale are still well over $10. Also, I would find it hard to pay any amount of money for The Fifth Element.
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Like I said, where are you finding good movies for $10? They are on sale because they suck and they need to be taken off the shelves. Good movies on sale are still well over $10. Also, I would find it hard to pay any amount of money for The Fifth Element.
I don't really care about your opinion on a movie. The point was you can find a lot of movies for $10. Whether you spend $10 or $15 on a DVD is up to you. If all you buy are new releases then you don't care more or less the amount of money you spend. To think a good movie must be expensive is logically wrong. You then are perfectly willing to fork out $16.99 to $24.99 on a DVD. Given that you might be willing to fork out $24.99 to $34.99 on a Blu Ray disc. If so you then you are better off than a lot of people or you have a dedicated movie hobby.

If you really have to know specifics on where you can pay $10 for a good DVD then you obviously don't look much. Check out Best Buys' ad for the week. Lets see: buy 2 of the following DVD's and receive $10 off (Dejavu, Night at the Museum, Chronicles of Narnia, just to name a few). And wait theres more: 2 for $12: (Independence Day, Alien, Predator, 28 days later, Transporter, X-Men, X2, I Robot, and more). And yes there are some listed for $14.99 as well such as 3:10 to Yuma Beowulf, etc., but there are plenty of movies for $10 or less. If you don't care for any of those movies then that is your opinion, but many of those movies did well or have a big following. Movies like Gladiator and Braveheart have commonly been found for $10. The point is DVD's can be found for great prices and sales are to be had every week. End of story.
Edited by RoddimusPrime - 5/19/08 at 7:57am
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I don't really care about your opinion on a movie. The point was you can find a lot of movies for $10. Whether you spend $10 or $15 on a DVD is up to you. If all you buy are new releases then you don't care more or less the amount of money you spend. To think a good movie must be expensive is logically wrong. You then are perfectly willing to fork out $16.99 to $24.99 on a DVD. Given that you might be willing to fork out $24.99 to $34.99 on a Blu Ray disc. If so you then you are better off than a lot of people or you have a dedicated movie hobby.

If you really have to know specifics on where you can pay $10 for a good DVD then you obviously don't look much. Check out Best Buys' ad for the week. Lets see: buy 2 of the following DVD's and receive $10 off (Dejavu, Night at the Museum, Chronicles of Narnia, just to name a few). And wait theres more: 2 for $12: (Independence Day, Alien, Predator, 28 days later, Transporter, X-Men, X2, I Robot, and more). And yes there are some listed for $14.99 as well such as 3:10 to Yuma Beowulf, etc., but there are plenty of movies for $10 or less. If you don't care for any of those movies then that is your opinion, but many of those movies did well or have a big following. Movies like Gladiator and Braveheart have commonly been found for $10. The point is DVD's can be found for great prices and sales are to be had every week. End of story.
No, the point is whether or not I think a movie is good because that dictates how much I will spend on it. That's how the world works. If you are referring to just having random movies at $10 then fine, but I clearly was not.

And the only reason for many to even consider buying a PS3, considering its price and the game selection, is the Blu-Ray capabilities, so if anything that is the savior of the PS3 and not an example of Sony shooting itself in the foot.
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No, the point is whether or not I think a movie is good because that dictates how much I will spend on it. That's how the world works. If you are referring to just having random movies at $10 then fine, but I clearly was not.

And the only reason for many to even consider buying a PS3, considering its price and the game selection, is the Blu-Ray capabilities, so if anything that is the savior of the PS3 and not an example of Sony shooting itself in the foot.
You are correct in that is how the world works. This only serves to prove my point. However, most people aren't going to fork out the money for Blu Ray unless they can amply afford a Blu Ray player in the first place. Given that fact, it is also true that in general people will buy the $10 or even $15 movies for that matter rather than purchase a Blu Ray player and pay $25 to $30. If that weren't true then Blu Ray would already have quite the large piece of the pie in movie types being bought. Currently Blu Ray is only a small minute portion of the movie market.

And I didn't say including Blu Ray was shooting themselves in the foot. Obviously it only helped them win the format war. But, having the PS3 at such a high price and the movies didn't help capture the mainstream market. Wii, no matter how bad or how great the games obviously did well in that aspect. They did well with pricing of hardware, software, and marketing the products. I will be the first to admit though that they are two completely different animals, but as a success story and business structure Nintendo did a better job.
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You are correct in that is how the world works. However, most people aren't going to fork out the money for Blu Ray unless they can amply afford a Blu Ray player in the first place. Given that fact, it is also true that in general people will buy the $10 or even $15 movies for that matter rather than purchase a Blu Ray player and pay $25 to $30. If that weren't true then Blu Ray would already have quite the large piece of the pie in movie types being bought. Currently Blu Ray is only a small minute portion of the movie market.

And I didn't say including Blu Ray was shooting themselves in the foot. Obviously it only helped them win the format war.
I misread what you said about Sony shooting itself in the foot then. My apologies. You are right that the lack of backwards compatibility is crap.
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