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Oh btw, I just installed that dual core optimizer, and ran 3dmark again, it costed me about 100 points. So I uninstalled it. That software is complete CRAPOLA!!!
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Yeah, I see the spec's now--sorry!
Ha! NP! That just shows-off how fast you are willing to try to help
Nah, I'm no noob and am usually the one who helps instead. When it comes to Vista though,
I only played around with it for a month back when it was a RC canidate. I quickly came to learn then that I both loved and hated it at the sametime. So I modded the heck out of my XP install with Vista thingz and I only booted into Vista when I was really bored to play....hehe When it comes to dual core computing however I am a stone cold noob on what I should expect from it. When I switched over from my 1.3 machine to the 2.6 Dell it was awesome. I felt like I just crawled out of a cave...lol. I was expecting that feeling to happen again on this switch or at least come close and it's not happening. Then I began thinking maybe my expectations were maybe just a tad to high. I figured that the peeps who would be most knowledgable about this topic just had to be in an OCing place and here I am ;P

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did you check to make sure the CPU really is running at 3GHz?
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=364420

I also tried to find a review pitting the hyperthreaded core against a dual one with PCs that fall in the similar CPU ranges as mine, before I started this very thread.
There was no direct comparison reviews between the 2 CPUs since they fall so utterly in entirely catagories. Here is the best I found.
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/revie...2&id=2193&pg=4
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/revie...=5&id=845&pg=5
They were done 2 years apart with remarkably close marks but I'm sure the scoring
had radical changed too

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You could do this--download/save your ethernet drivers when in Vista, then install XP, and now that you have your drivers, you can use XP and see if that gives you similar performance.
Great idea, till I deadended quickly at nVidia's site on what flavor of driver to choose.
Then I tried an ALT method...hehe
I fired up DriverGenius in Vista and I backed up the drivers. Then I booted into XP and restored 'em. All the questioned marked(uninstalled) drivers disappeared. The ethernet driver was the only that turned into an exclamation point(it figures). I figured a reboot back into XP would fix it so I did just that and I got hit with a big black screen saying XP can't boot because one of it's .sys files were screwed up.
That was yesterday I reinstalled XP afterwards and gave up.
Today with your prompting I went back to Nvidia's site and lo and behold for the 1st time ever I seen a auto scan beta thingy for drivers...waHoo! I managed to get the proper Vista driver DLed and used it to figure out XP's counterpart and I DLed that too.
Just a little bit ago I went into XP installed the driver it went in all fine and dandy plus it even came with nTune. I never heard of nTune before so I fired up that app up and geezus! I damn near crapped myself. The app was offering to OC my board just for me...wowza! I never had nor seen a pre-fab machine that could be OC'ed before. Lol, especially one from HP. Well I regretfully closed the app and rebooted back into XP and found out that the ethernet driver wasn't installed so I tried the installer again. It showed the driver going in but for some reason it doesn't take. Just my luck it's been bad ever since I've plugged this PC in. Anyways, I fire up the Vista flavor of the driver installer it took out the XP flavored one and eventually
installed the ethernet driver and a nice big installing driver warning popped up(XP's flavor didn't do that) awesome I think. I reboot the driver installed but again an exclamation point.
Device is working but not and can't be fixed by searching for updates has it can't go online because it is broke.
So that blows testing out this machine via XP to elminate Vista being a possible cause of high CPU usage with the game.
So I farted around for a few and I ended up at HP's site and I suddenly came across a Bios + a firmware update. I got'em and did it
I am now, lol, I should say the PC's CPU is now bouncing around 44% now with 2 game instances, superfetch & searchindexer running. Last night, I had superfetch & searchindexer shutdown and I was sitting just staring hopelessly at the CPU usage there was a sudden drop on it's use from 60% to 50% and it stayed there with 2 games up. I had long quit playing with settings and such when it had happened. I was just sitting there staring. An hour later it still was at 50% so I dared the machine and I fired up a 3rd game instance and that bounced things back up to 60% with a spike here and there in the 70's. The PC ran them that way until I updated the Bios about 2 hours ago now.
I don't know what happened when the CPU usage dropped last night. I was even afraid to reboot and lose what little headroom I gained but the PC still stayed at those #'S after reboot and then I think the Bios update also improved them a bit more by another notch. Still though....it's better but sure is a long way off from making me tingle all over and quenching my thoughts of yanking out the HDs and tossing 'em Back in my old Dell.


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Hmm, like you stated the P4 dell should be no where near that X2 6000.
It honest to gawd is here on my end. I would love to show someone, anyone(who is in the know) both machines fired up side by side with the Dell pulling twice load while being much more happier about it. If thingz stay the same I will indeed do just that and I'll even make a quick video for you all here to see it.

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Do you have cool & quite enabled?
I have no idea. I remember seeing a brief mention of it somewhere...the box or in the docs. I have noticed no settings for it in the old or new Bios.



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My 2.8 P4 is like garbage comabpere to my 3700 stock which is 2.2
Ahhh, but was that old p4 hyperthreaded? Not all were.
Still though that's music to my ears(I think).


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maybe a reformat and fresh install of Windows may help things out.
Haahaahaahaa....
Welll...errrrr....I was gonna do just that BUT
When I switched machines and moved into the HP...I...ahhhh...changed the driver letters to maintain my drive structure so I wouldn't end up with zillions of broken shortcuts and so everything would be right where I'm used to them being. While I was doing that I made a mental note to myself to remember the restore partitions orginal letter and that it may screw up the restore disk maker app if I should forget to restore the original drive letter. Yesterday I changed the drive letter back and started to pull a factory restore.The app could not find the restore partition although I had changed it back a reboot didn't help. I talked to HP support and told them what I just said here. They told me to try to restore a driver and that worked but a quickie popup said the file installed from the system partition not from the restore partition. When I told HP support that they didn't reply...they stopped replying period. Hmph! I didn't even bring up the subject of the abnormal CPU usage...haha. I waited a few more minutes, said screw it when still no reply and I hung up went online and ordered the restore disk kit($15.49) last nite. They were shipped today and supposed to be here by 5 more.
Lesson: Make your restore disk ASAP when you get a new machine.

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What card were you running in your Dell?
GeForce FX 256 is all I can remember off hand. In the 5000 series I think. It kept me happy it has dual monitor ports.

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That Radeon HD 2600 is less then an ideal card.
I had an nVidia 512 in my hand for $99 until the floor guy at BestBuy showed me the ATI card orginally marked at $199 on sale for $59...errr....after that I just asked one question, can I return it after I open it and I was assured I can. I will have to do that tomorrow or never. Do you really think I should? Maybe I should try firing up a more GPU intensive game tonite....

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Yeah, don't forget the dual-core optimizer from the AMD site--good point.
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Oh btw, I just installed that dual core optimizer, and ran 3dmark again, it costed me about 100 points. So I uninstalled it.
I think I'll go ahead and try it after I post. At this point I don't think thingz can get much worse.


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Faulty memory perhaps.
I've seen bad mem before...the machine was unbootable.
Then again this is all very new hardware to me and thingz change.


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Your ram is on a divider, thats cutting your memory bandwidth down. Try lowering it and raising your fsb to compensate....
I don't really wanna play with that yet but will if it comes down to it.


MemTest I will do...tomorrowish....but ram seems fine.


Thanks very much to each and all for your suggestions!

I knew this just had to be a good place to come to for help

Now excuse me, I gotta game to go play ;P


Bear Hugz to All,

WL
Edited by WhiteLion - 5/21/08 at 11:38pm
    
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Ahhh, but was that old p4 hyperthreaded? Not all were.
Still though that's music to my ears(I think).
I'm running a P4 2.8HT and benched another machine on another side of my work which have a P4 3.0HT, they both awful, especially the heat. anyways that's beside the point

how about junk softwares from HP, like perhaps NORTON Related garbage, or this Utility that Utility, unnecessary stuff for the devices like Program for monitor, Program for Scanner, printer ro whatnot, get rid of them if that's the case
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Hey whats your MB manufacturer & model?
I would like to make sure you have cool & quiet disabled.
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Ha! NP! That just shows-off how fast you are willing to try to help
Nah, I'm no noob and am usually the one who helps instead.
Well, sounds good, things seem like they're behaving properly now (no idea why, but it's my preference to leave superfetch disabled...).
    
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Your ram is on a divider, thats cutting your memory bandwidth down. Try lowering it and raising your fsb to compensate....
He's on an HP computer...so no overclocking, etc. I believe? Maybe I'm wrong...
    
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Get rid of nTune. Now. It has been known to cause a bountiful amount of errors, and tons of blue screens. Don't use it. Of you want to overclock, do it through your BIOS.

nTune = teh sux.

FYI, not all bad mem makes the computer not boot. So don't push that suggestion aside just because you think you've seen it all. Run Memtest86 anyway, you might be fine, but just in case, check it out. Run it for about about 10 hours, overnight is fine.

I'd also run a stability test, like Prime95 or Orthos overnight, just to make sure your CPU isn't unstable.
Edited by Pap3r - 5/22/08 at 2:08pm
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I've seen bad mem before...the machine was unbootable.
Then again this is all very new hardware to me and thingz change.
You likely have three dimms filled with some generic memory, each consisting of 1gb. Or perhaps you have one 2GB and one 1GB. At any rate if at least one stick of memory is working properly your computer will likely boot and have some stability, but run like crap. Like the previous poster stated, run MemTest86+ even if you think you have an idea of how faulty memory works.
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