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http://game.amd.com/us-en/amdgame_te...tions.aspx?p=1

That made me laugh... very very hard...

If you take a look at the AMD Game Ultra configurations;

System 1 and 2 have big hefty 850watt PSU's... For what?

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model Sapphire PC-AM2RD790
Total System Memory 2GB
Memory Mfg. Corsair XMS2 CM2X1024-6400C4
Video Card 1 Model Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 512Mb

That won't need 850 watts? Not even if you overclock that AMD to 5Ghz O.O (which I'll never believe anyway).

And then the third system came through my retinals...

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6
Total System Memory 4 GB
Memory Mfg. Aenon PC6400 4 x 1GB
Video Card Model ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2

Now for that I can live with the fact if they would've picked the 850watt PSU... But what did they do? They entered a 450 watt BeQuiet PSU!... For a Quad system with CF card! Somehow that doesn't add up >.<

It gets worse because they did list a 1010watt PSU for this right after that in System 5:

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model ASUS M3A
Total System Memory 2 GB
Memory Mfg. Kingston DDR2 PC6400 (1GB x 2 Dual Channel)
Video Card Model Sapphire Radeon HD 3870

Also, in system 4: Total System Memory AMD Phenom 9600+ Black Edition...
What's that about? New socket from AMD? "RAM-socket" ?



Now I can go on and on about that page about the PSU's... But you might as well take a look and laugh at it yourself xD

Seems like AMD failed in this one... The only good processors they ever made were the low-end single core ones (compared to the low-end intel single core ones).
I was actually just thinking about that. What's to keep AMD (or anybody for that matter) for putting up inflated recommended specs to con people out of their money?

I agree, 850 watts is more than enough for that top setup. 600 watts would probably do it.
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http://game.amd.com/us-en/amdgame_te...tions.aspx?p=1

That made me laugh... very very hard...

If you take a look at the AMD Game Ultra configurations;

System 1 and 2 have big hefty 850watt PSU's... For what?

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model Sapphire PC-AM2RD790
Total System Memory 2GB
Memory Mfg. Corsair XMS2 CM2X1024-6400C4
Video Card 1 Model Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 512Mb

That won't need 850 watts? Not even if you overclock that AMD to 5Ghz O.O (which I'll never believe anyway).

And then the third system came through my retinals...

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6
Total System Memory 4 GB
Memory Mfg. Aenon PC6400 4 x 1GB
Video Card Model ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2

Now for that I can live with the fact if they would've picked the 850watt PSU... But what did they do? They entered a 450 watt BeQuiet PSU!... For a Quad system with CF card! Somehow that doesn't add up >.<

It gets worse because they did list a 1010watt PSU for this right after that in System 5:

System Processor AMD Phenom 9650
System Motherboard Model ASUS M3A
Total System Memory 2 GB
Memory Mfg. Kingston DDR2 PC6400 (1GB x 2 Dual Channel)
Video Card Model Sapphire Radeon HD 3870

Also, in system 4: Total System Memory AMD Phenom 9600+ Black Edition...
What's that about? New socket from AMD? "RAM-socket" ?



Now I can go on and on about that page about the PSU's... But you might as well take a look and laugh at it yourself xD

Seems like AMD failed in this one... The only good processors they ever made were the low-end single core ones (compared to the low-end intel single core ones).
I'm willing to bet those PSU requirements stem from AMD wanting to make sure even crappy PSUs will have enough juice, since many people don't consider the 12V rail amperage when purchasing.
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IMO, this article is pretty damn stupid. They come at the article as computer enthusiasts when the AMD GAME! idea is obviously for the MASSES.

Most enthusiasts already KNOW if their computer can run a game and don't need someone to simplify it for them. Most enthusiasts buy their equipment based on benchmarks on their favorite games.

This is designed for people who try to read the requirements on the game box and get confused. Do they have a p4 or a p3? Do they have an AMD 3200, 3100, 2500, whatever.

It's not a bad idea and you can only work on one problem at a time. AMD has it's own problem to be trying to tackle piracy, so i don't even know why the article even mentions it.
    
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IMO, this article is pretty damn stupid. They come at the article as computer enthusiasts when the AMD GAME! idea is obviously for the MASSES.

Most enthusiasts already KNOW if their computer can run a game and don't need someone to simplify it for them. Most enthusiasts buy their equipment based on benchmarks on their favorite games.

This is designed for people who try to read the requirements on the game box and get confused. Do they have a p4 or a p3? Do they have an AMD 3200, 3100, 2500, whatever.

It's not a bad idea and you can only work on one problem at a time. AMD has it's own problem to be trying to tackle piracy, so i don't even know why the article even mentions it.
I will agree with you.

@MasterFire thank you for reading AND ANALYSING instead of ourselves. 850W PSU is good because AMD 790FX supports four video cards on a single mobo. The upgrade is something that should be considered in such configurations.
Edited by metala - 5/22/08 at 12:35pm
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IMO, this article is pretty damn stupid. They come at the article as computer enthusiasts when the AMD GAME! idea is obviously for the MASSES.

Most enthusiasts already KNOW if their computer can run a game and don't need someone to simplify it for them. Most enthusiasts buy their equipment based on benchmarks on their favorite games.

This is designed for people who try to read the requirements on the game box and get confused. Do they have a p4 or a p3? Do they have an AMD 3200, 3100, 2500, whatever.

It's not a bad idea and you can only work on one problem at a time. AMD has it's own problem to be trying to tackle piracy, so i don't even know why the article even mentions it.
Clearly you didn't read the article very carefully. This article addresses why it won't work and it has nothing to do with enthusiasts at all so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. The piracy was a side note and has nothing to do with AMD. It was mentioned as one of the many problems associated with PC gaming and not as something AMD is or should be addressing.

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I will agree with you.
No.
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Clearly you didn't read the article very carefully. This article addresses why it won't work and it has nothing to do with enthusiasts at all so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. The piracy was a side note and has nothing to do with AMD. It was mentioned as one of the many problems associated with PC gaming and not as something AMD is or should be addressing.

No.
Clearly i did and most of what they brought to the table is stuff that is way above the casual consumer's info ANYWAYS!

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It doesn't matter. AMD GAME! will have little relevance because it doesn't address the problems that are holding the PC gaming sector back. I made some suggestions on how to finally and truly fix PC gaming a few columns ago. One suggestion I made was for OEMs to cease using crappy, gaming-inadequate onboard graphics processors (particularly from Intel). Well, AMD GAME! won't even have anything to do with Intel or Nvidia CPU/GPU solutions, so that suggestion of mine is moot. In fact, since AMD GAME! is brand specific, it won't help at all unless everyone lines up for AMD/ATI solutions and ignores Intel and Nvidia. That's about as likely to happen as Steve Jobs praising Windows Vista as a sublime OS.
ATI has 35% of the marketplace. If they play this right they may have 60%. Yeah, it has AMD/ATI but as long as a consumer can see "will work with a xxx graphics card" they'll go out and possibly get it.

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Another major problem in the PC space that AMD GAME! won't address is piracy. Yes, it is a problem, and please don't make me yawn with the usual, tired arguments. You know, the one about the game that sells 10,000 copies, while 100,000 kids are playing online, but those kids would never actually pay for a game and hence there aren't any sales lost through piracy. I think it goes something like that, and it's bunk, and so is the theory that pirates are "trying out the game" to see if they want to buy it later.
This whole paragraph was a sidenote? OBviously AMD isn't doing this to fight piracy so why even MENTION IT?


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Here's something else that doesn't hold water: AMD's tested system configurations. That page features a number of specification roundups for different PCs.

Ten different PCs.

Ten lists of components, of course based on AMD/ATI hardware. Even if you eliminate Nvidia and Intel from the hardware race, there are an almost infinite number of system configurations possible when you consider manufacturers and chipsets and so on for motherboards, memory, graphics, and so on, right down to the mouse. AMD can't slap an AMD GAME! sticker on a config it hasn't tested; how will it test every combo of everything? Or won't it try? And if it doesn't try, how many problem combinations will it miss, and how many good configurations will not get logoed?
chipsets, motherboards, memory...now do these look like areas an OEM buyer will know about or will change out from their OEM computer?! They might buy some memory but in the grand scheme of things, none of this is going to matter significantly.

Simply put, they went about the article as enthusiasts and not as casual gamers. Even as enthusiasts, we know that, cpu and gpu aside, the chipsets, motherboard and type of memory ( not how much ) only affect our fps a minuscule amount. Even less so when you consider that NONE OF THIS WILL BE OVERCLOCKED.

For the article to even complain about them not testing every combo is ridiculous as the system requirements on most games are so vague that it sickens me. I bought a game in '04 that said it required an AMD 2.2ghz or faster......***, AMD has LOTS of 2.2ghz machines all with different types of Cpus! Will my Newcastle work? Do i need a Winsor?
    
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Clearly i did and most of what they brought to the table is stuff that is way above the casual consumer's info ANYWAYS!



ATI has 35% of the marketplace. If they play this right they may have 60%. Yeah, it has AMD/ATI but as long as a consumer can see "will work with a xxx graphics card" they'll go out and possibly get it.



This whole paragraph was a sidenote? OBviously AMD isn't doing this to fight piracy so why even MENTION IT?




chipsets, motherboards, memory...now do these look like areas an OEM buyer will know about or will change out from their OEM computer?! They might buy some memory but in the grand scheme of things, none of this is going to matter significantly.

Simply put, they went about the article as enthusiasts and not as casual gamers. Even as enthusiasts, we know that, cpu and gpu aside, the chipsets, motherboard and type of memory ( not how much ) only affect our fps a minuscule amount. Even less so when you consider that NONE OF THIS WILL BE OVERCLOCKED.

For the article to even complain about them not testing every combo is ridiculous as the system requirements on most games are so vague that it sickens me. I bought a game in '04 that said it required an AMD 2.2ghz or faster......***, AMD has LOTS of 2.2ghz machines all with different types of Cpus! Will my Newcastle work? Do i need a Winsor?
You just proved once again that you didn't read the article carefully. Did you visit the link(s) to a previous article(s) that he referred to and which explains some of the focus in the current article? I'd put my money on "no." You don't have to agree with the article, but based upon your retorts to it you are not understanding in the slightest what the author is getting at. In fact, I'd be willing to bet you didn't read my entire post before responding since I explained half of what complained about in this last post.
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I will agree with you.
No.
No, I will agree with him!
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No, I will agree with him!
If agree with everything he's said then you don't understand the article either.
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If agree with everything he's said then you don't understand the article either.
AFAIK AMD Game is not idea of salvation of the PC gaming, so I do not agree with the Extreme Tech article.

I agree with the post I quoted, so do not put words in my mouth please.
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