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Simply stated, having only 25ish% of computers capible of playing 3D games due to Intels IGPs is one of the sources of the decline in PC gaming and incline in console gaming. People want to plug and go, they dont want the "hassle" of upgrading even if it is cheaper.
This is my point in a nutshell. People want PnP. They don't want to deal with drivers or updates.
    
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You seem to equate graphics to being the best. Almost everything you've mentioned has to do with graphics or how hard it is to code for. I'm talking about the mainstream market and nothing else.

1. Most? No, valve is not most of the gaming industry and MOST of the gaming industry has been busy trying to pump out their own version of Crysis, which leaves my system unable to play. Also, did you forget about multiple hardware/software issues that leaves most average people confounded and unable to enjoy the game?

2. Who cares who outshines who? Wasn't it the head of the company that made Bioshock that said they sold like 4:1, console vs pc? What's the top selling game for pc vs console this year ( lets even take out GTA 4 ). Point is, console gaming is easier, less problematic and therefore MORE WIDELY ACCEPTED BY EVERYONE?

3. Such a gross over generalization that it's actually quite sad. Besides, what does your "What if" scenario have to do with which is better to game on? AND , what you've stated for #3 is so off topic for my #3 that I don't even know where to start. I was talking about $$$, you're talking about tech.

4. How is my #2 a crock? It's a very valid point. You buy a console for 5 yrs and you can play game #1 and game #45867 on the same console from start to finish. The less thinking for the general public the better, when it comes to an entertainment device.

5. Yes, i can agree with what you've said about pc hardware changing daily and console hardware changing every 5 yrs, which plays to the strength of consoles. You obviously didn't even really do more than skim what i said because if you did you wouldn't have even mentioned this part.


Either way dood, calm your old a** down. It's my simple opinion on why consoles are better. Both have their own merits. Quit acting like an offended nerd and realize you don't have to get personal just because I don't see things the way you do.
Bravo. ::Applause::

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no. luckily, we live in the real world XD.
Ummm... So much for a valid point? MMMM!!! What a great day for PC fanboiz!
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You seem to equate graphics to being the best. Almost everything you've mentioned has to do with graphics or how hard it is to code for. I'm talking about the mainstream market and nothing else.

1. Most? No, valve is not most of the gaming industry and MOST of the gaming industry has been busy trying to pump out their own version of Crysis, which leaves my system unable to play. Also, did you forget about multiple hardware/software issues that leaves most average people confounded and unable to enjoy the game?

2. Who cares who outshines who? Wasn't it the head of the company that made Bioshock that said they sold like 4:1, console vs pc? What's the top selling game for pc vs console this year ( lets even take out GTA 4 ). Point is, console gaming is easier, less problematic and therefore MORE WIDELY ACCEPTED BY EVERYONE?

3. Such a gross over generalization that it's actually quite sad. Besides, what does your "What if" scenario have to do with which is better to game on? AND , what you've stated for #3 is so off topic for my #3 that I don't even know where to start. I was talking about $$$, you're talking about tech.

4. How is my #2 a crock? It's a very valid point. You buy a console for 5 yrs and you can play game #1 and game #45867 on the same console from start to finish. The less thinking for the general public the better, when it comes to an entertainment device.

5. Yes, i can agree with what you've said about pc hardware changing daily and console hardware changing every 5 yrs, which plays to the strength of consoles. You obviously didn't even really do more than skim what i said because if you did you wouldn't have even mentioned this part.


Either way dood, calm your old a** down. It's my simple opinion on why consoles are better. Both have their own merits. Quit acting like an offended nerd and realize you don't have to get personal just because I don't see things the way you do.
very well said my friend... although i have to shake my head at your sig, coz all rap and hip hop does indeed suck.

haha just kidding, stirring ****.

im trying to think of something to say and add to this argument, but you kinda nailed it really, i share the exact same understanding of the situation.

i think your first post (althought you made 4 main points not 3, hehe) best said it.

console gaming will always be considered better for most, given its simplicity, convenience and all around general success. the points you made earlier about ~75% PC users not knowing how to address driver issues etc, and around 80% not even willing to touch hardware issues, like installing ram (those numbers are probably exaggerated, lets not get too technical, you are simply making a point) is very valid when discussing the general gaming industry.

PC gaming, will always better any rival machine in terms of 'graphics' and technological advancement. but PC Gaming, in retrospect, is an elitist or enthusiast market. PC gaming is not an everyday thing, not like console gaming. Console gamers buy a game, insert the disc and start playing. For PC, one must first confirm the system is compatible, well, capable more than compatible, this means hardware specs, hard drive space, OS, the lot. Then the game must be installed, i bet we all know a handful of people who dont look where the game is being installed (directory) and cant find it after installing, so they must watch for that. then once in the game, the display options and all sound options etc must be configured.

THEN, theres a chance that if the game has initial release bugs, it may not even work correctly, IE Crysis. that means waiting for a patch to be released. so far, with latest releases in mind, in can take some people up to an hour just to start playing a brand new game. already patience is tested and interest is lost.

now, after ALL that, as Funk said, you gotta consider the dollar value of your gaming machine. yes, of course, an $800 dollar gaming machine could run a game like Crysis. but the specs you would require to run it would put the graphics in line if not less than a latest generation PS3/Xbox360 console game anyway, so your graphic arguments loses there. and believe me, an $800 would not run Crysis too well at all, let alone not look as good.

you can argue that "oh well i got my PC for $800 coz so and so sold me this and i scored this from there" .. but again, that just strengthens my argument that PC gaming is an enthusiast/elitist market. there are very few people with the smarts, skills and product knowledge to be able to go out there and build a gaming PC for $800 using second hand parts. plus you have to look at it from the side of, ok, so you get a second hand $800 PC, it will only play games to the quality of the latest console, but the console costs half that, and its brand new, meaning warranty, proper tech support, full box and manual and a guaranteed working machine (unless you buy an X360, RRoD jk). to most that hastle is not worth it, and therefore a console purchase is settled.

PC gaming will never die, its a thriving industry, that, with the help of continuous and swift tech increase, will go on long after individual consoles are released. but consoles always offer something new too, maybe every 5 years, but in that 5 year period, every single game released is guaranteed to work on its designated machine. thats the beauty of console gaming, and the reason "MOST" game developers will branch out to console gaming. more systems for each game, wider target audience, more sales.
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Lulz, all this talking about how you will need an uber system for the newest games...
My Nephew has my old Athlon XP 3200+,2Gb RAM, GF6600,80Gb HDD etc.
That system Is about 5 years old, except for the GFX, wich is 4 years old.
And he still can play almost all newer games on med @ 1024x768, and on low @ 1024x768.
He even plays TF2 @ High.(same for HL2,CSS,Portal Etc.)
Ofcourse, most people have a intergrated gfx, But today we're seeing more and more OEM Pc's shipped with dedicated GFX'es (8400GS,3450,7200GS)
Even on those cards, you can play the newest games... on low.
Edited by dasparx - 5/27/08 at 11:03pm
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Lulz, all this talking about how you will need an uber system for the newest games...
My Nephew has my old Athlon XP 3200+,2Gb RAM, GF6600,80Gb HDD etc.
That system Is about 5 years old, except for the GFX, wich is 4 years old.
And he still can play almost all newer games on med @ 1024x768, and on low @ 1024x768. Ofcourse, most people have a intergrated gfx, But today we're seeing more and more OEM Pc's shipped with dedicated GFX'es (8400GS,3450,7200GS)
Even on those cards, you can play the newest games... on low.
yeah, but again that just strengthens the point i made above... if one is to make an argument of PC vs Consoles Gaming popularity and use graphics as a basis of argument, your nephew's PC would put out graphics maybe on the same level if not lower than a console game.. the above system would have costed him around the $700-$800 mark off the top of my head. probably a LOT more when he got it actually, its worth would be closer to that figure now.

in Australia, Xbox360's are around $600 for the best one. sorry i dont know exactly, not in the market for one. but PS3's are $699 with a game. given the game usually has a $100 value or therebouts, you're lookin at a $599 system, that would make games look a LOT better than med-low 1024x768.

especially titles using 1080p. so again, the console market gains in numbers and strength, proving PC gaming is, ultimately, an elitist/enthusiast market, if you want to be playing today's latest games at their best, or at least equal/better in quality compared to a console.
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Well Half Life 1 was too buggy.
Although HL2 is the best.
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Well Half Life 1 was too buggy.
Although HL2 is the best.
? what do you mean by HL1 was too buggy?
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? what do you mean by HL1 was too buggy?
Well like when one of the professors was stuck in this room that lead to the next level.
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Well like when one of the professors was stuck in this room that lead to the next level.
Every game has the odd bug. Just sounds like you were unlucky enough to encounter one.
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Was it Half-Life 1: Source? Or just Half-Life 1?
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