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you do realize its a 1.6-1.8 ghz CPU hes referring to? I don't see this keeping pace with high-detail Gfx with today's games having CPU heavy physics engines
You do realize this forum is called overclock.net?
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you do realize its a 1.6-1.8 ghz CPU hes referring to? I don't see this keeping pace with high-detail Gfx with today's games having CPU heavy physics engines
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You do realize this forum is called overclock.net?
In defense of FreeRoller; if you read his previous post:
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Not if you overclock it.

Give it a decent run (2.6-3.0) and you will have zero problems with bottleneck. At those speeds, it will become GPU Dependant until the GPU is overclocked to outrun the CPU. then its just cat and mouse.
you'd notice one of his main points is to overclock the processor.
    
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How CPU dependant are 3DMark GPU scores?

like to find a benchmark application that is strictly GPU related. If we could find an application like this you could run tests with the CPU at the stock settings and again with overclocked settings and have your answer.
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In defense of FreeRoller; if you read his previous post:

you'd notice one of his main points is to overclock the processor.
I don't agree with what you've said earlier.. i have encounter CPU bottleneck with my pentium D 3.0ghz, paired with a 7950 gx2, i scored 120 fps on CS:S bench, after i overclock my GPU, i get 122 fps, after i overclock my CPU to 4.2ghz, i get 18X. after i upgrade to a quad at 3.2 i get 18X, at 3.6 i get 18X fps.
*EDIT*, i just remembered, i score 16X FPS with 4.2ghz pD with a 7950 gx2


With my 2 8800 GTS 512, with AA off, i get 289 FPS w/ the processor at 3.6ghz, with it at 3.6 ghz and overclocked my gts a bit further, i hit 298. i was close to maxing out the FPS on CS:S. but that's now the point, there is bottle neck, and i have experienced myself.

Having a 1.6 ghz with a 9600 is like telling you to get a quad core with a ATI 9550 (Only reason i chose the 9550 is because in my mind, its like the 1.8ghz processor)
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Look here and you will see which new game need a good fast cloked CPU. http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-sc...re-processors/
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I don't agree with what you've said earlier.. i have encounter CPU bottleneck with my pentium D 3.0ghz, paired with a 7950 gx2, i scored 120 fps on CS:S bench, after i overclock my GPU, i get 122 fps, after i overclock my CPU to 4.2ghz, i get 18X. after i upgrade to a quad at 3.2 i get 18X, at 3.6 i get 18X fps.
*EDIT*, i just remembered, i score 16X FPS with 4.2ghz pD with a 7950 gx2


With my 2 8800 GTS 512, with AA off, i get 289 FPS w/ the processor at 3.6ghz, with it at 3.6 ghz and overclocked my gts a bit further, i hit 298. i was close to maxing out the FPS on CS:S. but that's now the point, there is bottle neck, and i have experienced myself.

Having a 1.6 ghz with a 9600 is like telling you to get a quad core with a ATI 9550 (Only reason i chose the 9550 is because in my mind, its like the 1.8ghz processor)
A 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo CPU will outperform your Pentium D @ 3.0GHz.... There is more that matters than just GHz. A mild overclock (~2.2GHz) will make an E21xx series chip run circles around your Pentium D @ 4.2GHz.
    
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Who cares? Rock out with it, and crank it up as high as it will go!
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I don't agree with what you've said earlier..
The clear point I was making, was the importance of proof to back up claims of 'bottlenecks' with the specific CPU and GPU in question. You don't agree with that?

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i have encounter CPU bottleneck with my pentium D 3.0ghz, paired with a 7950 gx2, i scored 120 fps on CS:S bench, after i overclock my GPU, i get 122 fps, after i overclock my CPU to 4.2ghz, i get 18X. after i upgrade to a quad at 3.2 i get 18X, at 3.6 i get 18X fps.
*EDIT*, i just remembered, i score 16X FPS with 4.2ghz pD with a 7950 gx2
I don't remember saying anything about a Pentium D.


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With my 2 8800 GTS 512, with AA off, i get 289 FPS w/ the processor at 3.6ghz, with it at 3.6 ghz and overclocked my gts a bit further, i hit 298. i was close to maxing out the FPS on CS:S. but that's now the point, there is bottle neck, and i have experienced myself.
I don't remember saying anything about a Q6700, either.

And it doesn't surprise me you'll see slightly better performance from overclocking your CPU. That doesn't necessarily mean it's "bottlenecking" the video card (especially with such a small change that you're indicating.) Your CPU is used in games, after all - and overall gaming performance is at least partially determined by it. Do you think that every performance change based on the CPU is indicative of a "bottleneck"? Of course not.

There are lots of components in your PC and they can all effect performance. Your system can run faster or slower based on each one of these individual components - sometimes independent from one another. Therefore, from a logical standpoint, we should be able to understand that not all of those changes are necessarily "bottlenecks".

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Having a 1.6 ghz with a 9600 is like telling you to get a quad core with a ATI 9550 (Only reason i chose the 9550 is because in my mind, its like the 1.8ghz processor)
How so? What performance figures are you comparing the two sets by?
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The clear point I was making, was the importance of proof to back up claims of 'bottlenecks' with the specific CPU and GPU in question. You don't agree with that?



I don't remember saying anything about a Pentium D.




I don't remember saying anything about a Q6700, either.

And it doesn't surprise me you'll see slightly better performance from overclocking your CPU. That doesn't necessarily mean it's "bottlenecking" the video card (especially with such a small change that you're indicating.) Your CPU is used in games, after all - and overall gaming performance is at least partially determined by it. Do you think that every performance change based on the CPU is indicative of a "bottleneck"? Of course not.

There are lots of components in your PC and they can all effect performance. Your system can run faster or slower based on each one of these individual components - sometimes independent from one another. Therefore, from a logical standpoint, we should be able to understand that not all of those changes are necessarily "bottlenecks".



How so? What performance figures are you comparing the two sets by?
I don't know how many system have you tried so far, you must have not experienced how bottlenecking is like, and 40 fps isnt a small difference, it's high.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...de,1928-5.html
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Do you have any proof of these "bottlenecks" you speak of? I mean, specifically with an E2000 series and 9600GT?
So, now according to you, the 9600GT will be 'bottlenecked' with an E2xxx @ 1.6 or 1.8GHz - but not at all @ 2.6-3.0GHz. How exactly do you know this? Where is the proof? And what is your exact definition of 'bottleneck'?
well i can definitely say that at 1.6Ghz the proccy bottlenecks my card by quite a bit,but then it also depends on the process and resolution.crysis benchmark refuses to go beyond 20fps with my proccy at 1.6Ghz while cod4 seems to run fine with a background app running thats consuming 20% of the resources.
    
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