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Only the best DDR2 is going to be stable at 1260. The vast majority of 1066 won't cut it.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
Only the best DDR2 is going to be stable at 1260. The vast majority of 1066 won't cut it.
So I should get 1200 and use 2.4 as my multiplier (525x8)?
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Originally Posted by tmaz42o View Post
So I should get 1200 and use 2.4 as my multiplier (525x8)?
No get 1066 and run it 1:1 at 525x8 which gives you DDR-1050Mhz.
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Originally Posted by OCZedd View Post
No get 1066 and run it 1:1 at 525x8 which gives you DDR-1050Mhz.
Run 1 : 1 is the worst you can run with the Intel chipset (not Nvidia´s Intel chipset if you can go with 1T) even if you can go with tighter timing. Better go with high MHz and loose timing then low MHz and tight timing.

Here´s a example

First we start with FSB 525 8 4,0, 5 : 6, 1260@5-5-5-15 Performence Level 7 (PL7)

Read 11241
Write 11182
Copy 11404
Lat 45,2

and compare with 525 8 4,0, 1 : 1, 1050@5-5-5-15 (PL9)

Read 10235
Write 11176
Copy 9648
Lat 51,0

and if we go with tighter timing 1050@4-4-4-12 (PL8)

Read 10556
Write 11180
Copy 9930
Lat 48,4

and it comes down to that you can´t bring that MCH Read Delay (tRD, Performance Level (PL)) down and you get decrease in bandwidth (special Read and Copy) and increase latency.

So if you can pull of FSB 525 you be better of with 1260 then 1050, but to reach 1260 you may have to push your volt above 2,30.


If we look at fps in games you don´t gain that much if we compare 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 (PL6) and 525 8 4,2, 1260 5-5-5-15 (PL7), maybe 5 - 10%, but you put a lot more stress on your system.

That´s why I run 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 on my rig.

But I understand that it feels good to push that system as far as it goes, so do it if you can.
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ghostleader the trd has the biggest effect on those results not the speeds, a lowwer trd with slower ram can keep up with high trd and higher speeds.

@op have you tried slackening the timings a bit on your tracers to get them above 9xx?
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ghostleader the trd has the biggest effect on those results not the speeds
Yes I know that tRD has the biggest effect on the resultat and that is the point, I was pointing out that what OZCeed suggesting was not good if you want to push for performance and that´s what I think tmaz42o is after.

And which tRD you get is a combination between FSB, ramspeed and timing and you want the lowest possibly tRD with the highest possibly ramspeed.

No matter how you look at it you loose with 1 : 1 with Intel chipset.


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a lowwer trd with slower ram can keep up with high trd and higher speeds.?
Why would you run high tRD and high speed?

Give me an example when low MHz and tight timing beats high Mhz and loose timing between FSB 266 - 500+, ramspeed 800 - 1200+ and withvlowest possible tRD (Performance Level).
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I really doubt that your Tracers are holding you back. It's most likely that DS4 board. DDR2-1066 sticks will get you to 533FSB if your board can handle it.
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Run 1 : 1 is the worst you can run with the Intel chipset (not Nvidia´s Intel chipset if you can go with 1T) even if you can go with tighter timing. Better go with high MHz and loose timing then low MHz and tight timing.

If we look at fps in games you don´t gain that much if we compare 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 (PL6) and 525 8 4,2, 1260 5-5-5-15 (PL7), maybe 5 - 10%, but you put a lot more stress on your system.

That´s why I run 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 on my rig.

But I understand that it feels good to push that system as far as it goes, so do it if you can.
IF those result are 100% correct I see what you mean. But its mainly because of the TRD level and not Mhz/Timings, but yes what you posted below makes sense that TRD is a by-product of Mhz/Timings in order to achieve a lower TRD. However many boards do not allow you to adjust the performance level.
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Originally Posted by Ghostleader View Post
Run 1 : 1 is the worst you can run with the Intel chipset (not Nvidia´s Intel chipset if you can go with 1T) even if you can go with tighter timing. Better go with high MHz and loose timing then low MHz and tight timing.

Here´s a example

First we start with FSB 525 8 4,0, 5 : 6, 1260@5-5-5-15 Performence Level 7 (PL7)

Read 11241
Write 11182
Copy 11404
Lat 45,2

and compare with 525 8 4,0, 1 : 1, 1050@5-5-5-15 (PL9)

Read 10235
Write 11176
Copy 9648
Lat 51,0

and if we go with tighter timing 1050@4-4-4-12 (PL8)

Read 10556
Write 11180
Copy 9930
Lat 48,4

and it comes down to that you can´t bring that MCH Read Delay (tRD, Performance Level (PL)) down and you get decrease in bandwidth (special Read and Copy) and increase latency.

So if you can pull of FSB 525 you be better of with 1260 then 1050, but to reach 1260 you may have to push your volt above 2,30.


If we look at fps in games you don´t gain that much if we compare 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 (PL6) and 525 8 4,2, 1260 5-5-5-15 (PL7), maybe 5 - 10%, but you put a lot more stress on your system.

That´s why I run 450 8 3,6, 1200 5-5-5-15 on my rig.

But I understand that it feels good to push that system as far as it goes, so do it if you can.
what do you use to test read and write speeds?
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Originally Posted by OCZedd View Post
IF those result are 100% correct. But its mainly because of the TRD level and not Mhz/Timings, but yes what you posted below makes sense that TRD is a by-product of Mhz/Timings in order to achieve a lower TRD. However many boards do not allow you to adjust the performance level.
Even if your board don´t have that possibility to set tRD in BIOS, can you not ignore it because your board set it automatic and what level you get is how aggresive the boardmaker have set it, it´s a factor even if you don´t see it.

But you can allways use Memset to check and alter that Performence Level (tRD) and see if you can maximaze your memory performance.

http://www.tweakers.fr/index.html

and with this simple spread sheet you can check to see what PL you can use.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=36360



Quote:
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what do you use to test read and write speeds?
I use Everest Ultimate 4.50.1355b.
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