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Can't believe this one hasn't been posted yet....

post #22 of 120
TPM chips are old news, they use these in the Intel based Macs to avoid the OS being run on vanilla machines. Didn't take long at all for that to be bypassed, which I'm sure is much more intricate in an OS compared to a game.
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I can foresee some problems here. To me it looks like the process will go something like this: you install the game and this secret chip will generate a key that will be sent to the game maker along with the key from that particular copy of the game. So anytime you play the game it checks that the game key matches the mobo key. So, what about upgrading mother boards? What about second hand purchases? This smells a lot like Microsoft's questionable practice of locking OEM versions to one motherboard. A court just ruled against AutoCAD who tried to stop a guy selling old copies of AutoCAD on eBay for much cheaper prices of the new version. The court said as long as the software is completely uninstalled from the previous computer, it does not violate the First Sale Doctrine. So as long as games allow transfer of games without much hassle, I'm ok with this. But probably like all other heavy handed anti-piracy methods, the only people this will affect are the paying customers whose keys get denied, leaving the people who know how to bypass the security no hassles.
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Guys, you won't be able to just choose to not buy the mobo. The idea is that the game won't work at all without the chip.

I also think this is just wasted effort though.
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post #25 of 120
First of all, I doubt this implementation would be noticeable by the user. Secondly, if I can have some sort of built-in instant game validation instead of having to worry about 50 different forms of copy protection and no-disc cracks, I'll certainly adopt it.
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post #26 of 120
its about time
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post #27 of 120
Will the big companies ever learn that stopping pirates will not earn them a dime more than if they let them pirate? If they are pirating the game/software/movie/music, they most likely either can't afford or are simply too cheap to actually pay for it.
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Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
Can't believe this one hasn't been posted yet....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXU7...eature=related
man, this video is extremely well made

but i think it needed to go into more detail. it kind of left me wanting more details.

all in all a good overview though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by noldevin View Post
Will the big companies ever learn that stopping pirates will not earn them a dime more than if they let them pirate? If they are pirating the game/software/movie/music, they most likely either can't afford or are simply too cheap to actually pay for it.
This is a flawed argument in itself. If there were NO ways to pirate software, like, if TPM actually took hold and did what the manufacturers claim they are going to make it do, you would notice these people that were "too cheap" to buy software suddenly had "Photoshop CS4 Funds" in the works. People have no problem saving for stuff they cant afford at the current time. I am saving for a car. I cant buy it right now, because I am too poor. But come November, I should have enough for a down payment.

Lets take a look at the car scenario from the position of someone with no morals or ethics. For instance, someone who has no qualms about stealing, whether it be software, music, games, hardware, retail items from a store, or grand theft auto. Stealing software isnt hard. You can get a program to do so and in about 10 minutes you can have the latest copy of a 600 dollar software application. Some applications are harder to steal. Some you have to apply certain "workarounds" to circumvent (copy protection, CD required [starforce, safedisc, et al], RSA hardware key linked to MAC address, etc). Stealing a car is also not hard, although it has become harder on newer models. Some of them you have to use certain "workarounds" to get them to even run properly (immobilizer chip, car alarm with ignition cutoff, etc). Yet somehow, Piracy runs rampant and grand theft auto somehow is not as prevalent, or people get caught a lot more of the time. Why is this? Because the government has made it virtually impossible to steal, and keep, a car that has been stolen. National databases of stolen cars, VIN numbers printed and stamped on all major components, DMV databases of car registration with VIN number and current owner, pink slips... the list goes on. It is virtually impossible to steal a car and keep it for yourself anymore. Most stolen cars are parted out and sold as parts, with the VIN numbers removed, or sold down in Mexico where it isn't policed.

If you dont know where I am going with this, its this. When the government made it harder to steal cars, the amount of stolen cars on the road went way down. And it didnt become an option for some people, regardless of their moral codes. They thought to themselves "I would like a car. I like this one. I could easily take it. But wait... If a police officer pulls me over, and runs my plates, they will see that this car is stolen. I cant get new plates without registering the car, and they would need a valid VIN and pink slip. This just isn't going to work without a LOT of time and effort and some connections on the inside. I suppose I will just save up my money and get a car like this one later! It will be easier that way!"

I know there are other things my argument does not cover, such as the fact that software companies often overcharge for their software, dont make it available to everyone that needs it, etc... But the same applies with everything. Some people cant afford food, yet alone a software program. Sometimes you just have to realize what you need, and stick to that. A lot of the pirated software I bet a lot of you have out there is totally unnecessary. You could easily use a version of it that was open source if you had to. And if you really needed that software program, and there were a bunch of hoops or TPM modules or whatever they are going to do... You might just see "software fund" bars at the bottom of people's sigs here on OCN.

Also, just want to point out for the record, I am against TPM. In all ways shapes or forms. I just wanted to use it in my example.
Edited by DJZeratul - 5/24/08 at 9:54am
    
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post #29 of 120
I think this is wonderful. Most people will just buy the games now and the market will prosper. For the ones that are smart enough, we'll just mod the motherboards and play all the cracked games. Win - Win, at least for me. Let the video game market for pc develop so more titles are out for PC, and let me still play them cracked. Can't wait.
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post #30 of 120
Lol, I love how everyone on this website is a crusader against PC gaming piracy UNTIL they announce that they are trying to do something to prevent it... then everyone says "OMG NOES! This is illegal! you cant make me buy this! pirates will always find a workaround!!!"

I for one hope to god this thing works, and works well, sure some pirates might be able to find a way around it, if it can stop the vast majority of average joes from pirating every and any PC game they want, we might start seeing more and more blockbuster titles going PC exclusive.... god I want the HL1 days back
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