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All I have to say to this is... HA!

And no, I don't pirate games. I just don't think there's any way they can protect their stuff from people who try to crack it open.
 
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All I have to say to this is... HA!

And no, I don't pirate games. I just don't think there's any way they can protect their stuff from people who try to crack it open.

They that will surrender essential liberty for the illusion of security will end up with neither - it's a remarkable just how many areas of life that this principle can be applied to.
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If people made it, people can break it
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Whether it be a software or hardware hack, piracy will still be viable!
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If there were NO ways to pirate software, like, if TPM actually took hold and did what the manufacturers claim they are going to make it do, you would notice these people that were "too cheap" to buy software suddenly had "Photoshop CS4 Funds" in the works. People have no problem saving for stuff they cant afford at the current time. I am saving for a car. I cant buy it right now, because I am too poor. But come November, I should have enough for a down payment.

Lets take a look at the car scenario from the position of someone with no morals or ethics. For instance, someone who has no qualms about stealing, whether it be software, music, games, hardware, retail items from a store, or grand theft auto. Stealing software isnt hard. You can get a program to do so and in about 10 minutes you can have the latest copy of a 600 dollar software application. Some applications are harder to steal. Some you have to apply certain "workarounds" to circumvent (copy protection, CD required [starforce, safedisc, et al], RSA hardware key linked to MAC address, etc). Stealing a car is also not hard, although it has become harder on newer models. Some of them you have to use certain "workarounds" to get them to even run properly (immobilizer chip, car alarm with ignition cutoff, etc). Yet somehow, Piracy runs rampant and grand theft auto somehow is not as prevalent, or people get caught a lot more of the time. Why is this? Because the government has made it virtually impossible to steal, and keep, a car that has been stolen. National databases of stolen cars, VIN numbers printed and stamped on all major components, DMV databases of car registration with VIN number and current owner, pink slips... the list goes on. It is virtually impossible to steal a car and keep it for yourself anymore. Most stolen cars are parted out and sold as parts, with the VIN numbers removed, or sold down in Mexico where it isn't policed.

If you dont know where I am going with this, its this. When the government made it harder to steal cars, the amount of stolen cars on the road went way down. And it didnt become an option for some people, regardless of their moral codes. They thought to themselves "I would like a car. I like this one. I could easily take it. But wait... If a police officer pulls me over, and runs my plates, they will see that this car is stolen. I cant get new plates without registering the car, and they would need a valid VIN and pink slip. This just isn't going to work without a LOT of time and effort and some connections on the inside. I suppose I will just save up my money and get a car like this one later! It will be easier that way!"
Stealing cars and using pirated software have nothing to do with each other.

Why do some of you people keep comparing software (games) with hardware (cars, clothes, purses, etc.) in an attempt to teach all of us that there's no difference?

To me not knowing the difference between software and hardware is major FAIL especially when it's on a site like this.

So pirating games != stealing anything physical as software != hardware.

If you can't grasp at least this then you're on the wrong site.
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Stealing cars and using pirated software have nothing to do with each other.

Why do some of you people keep comparing software (games) with hardware (cars, clothes, purses, etc.) in an attempt to teach all of us that there's no difference?

To me not knowing the difference between software and hardware is major FAIL especially when it's on a site like this.

So pirating games != stealing anything physical as software != hardware.

If you can't grasp at least this then you're on the wrong site.
Things get even more cloudy when you throw terms and concepts like "sharing" or "borrowing" into the mix. Like, going to the library and photocopying books (GASP, that was a major debate back when it first started) or VCRs recording TV programs off cable/OTA, or what about sharing music with a friend (physically)? Just some things to think about
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I can't believe ANYONE can defend piracy with a straight face....

Making games are these peoples JOBS, *** would you do if someone came into your job every thursday and stole your paycheck?

It's the same thing. Stealing is Stealing.



Edited because I misread.

Edit2: Don't compare this to sharing CDs with a friend, if you share a CD with someone they have to eventually give it back, and buy their own copy
Edited by HugeDink - 5/24/08 at 1:47pm
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They that will surrender essential liberty for the illusion of security will end up with neither - it's a remarkable just how many areas of life that this principle can be applied to.
Jarhead. You are so on point with this. I will not purchase a mobo with this crap. If it is my only choice, guess I become computerless, my guess however, is that some companies will not include this if they see sales dropping.

Computers are not a necessity for my home life, they are something I enjoy and tinker with. Guess I can just spend more money on the motorcycle. Gaming industry stupidity FTL!

BTW I have never pirated anything, I just don't wish to submit myself to being treated like a criminal. The "If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about." mentality ticks me off to no end. When did the populace, of the USA anyway, become such sheep. Our Founding Fathers, must be rolling in their graves.
    
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I don't mind companies trying to eliminate software piracy (good luck ), but I am worried that every consumer who buys one of these secured pieces of hardware will have to pay for the chip or whatever it is.
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Originally Posted by HugeDink View Post
I can't believe ANYONE can defend piracy with a straight face....

Making games are these peoples JOBS,
And if the past is any indication, they will still have their jobs whether this chip goes into production or not. But if it does the rest of us will suffer negative effect that no court on Earth has proven that we deserve.

I can't believe that ANYONE would defend that with a straight face....
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