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Originally Posted by HugeDink View Post
I can't believe ANYONE can defend piracy with a straight face....

Making games are these peoples JOBS, *** would you do if someone came into your job every thursday and stole your paycheck?

It's the same thing. Stealing is Stealing.
Nobody's defending piracy, just our rights not to have other people control everything we do with our computers.

The real problem is that this is just a small step. The next would be them controlling PCs by remote through such chips, then those chips would be installed in cars, then - it will already be too late.
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And if the past is any indication, they will still have their jobs whether this chip goes into production or not. But if it does the rest of us will suffer negative effect that no court on Earth has proven that we deserve.

I can't believe that ANYONE would defend that with a straight face....
Alright, so by your logic, its perfectly alright if a thief steals half of your paycheck, so long as the thief doesn't have to serve any jail time, and suffers no negative effect?

Thats disgusting.

I think you need to reread the article in the OP.
This chip does not spy on you.
This chip does not monitor any online or offline activity.
This chip is simply the proverbial "decoder ring" to game companies encryptions they will be implementing on future games. If the game is pirated, you get an error message, and if it isn't... away you go!

whats even better is the fact that this is a physical chip, and not a program, that way you don't have to deal with BS "Starforce" DRM things that run in the background.

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Nobody's defending piracy, just our rights not to have other people control everything we do with our computers.
No one is controlling anything, you still have free reign over your computer, the only thing that would be different is your computer wont be able to play pirated game... which shouldn't be a problem for you, or for anyone.
Edited by HugeDink - 5/24/08 at 2:27pm
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Jarhead. You are so on point with this. I will not purchase a mobo with this crap. If it is my only choice, guess I become computerless, my guess however, is that some companies will not include this if they see sales dropping.

Computers are not a necessity for my home life, they are something I enjoy and tinker with. Guess I can just spend more money on the motorcycle. Gaming industry stupidity FTL!

BTW I have never pirated anything, I just don't wish to submit myself to being treated like a criminal. The "If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about." mentality ticks me off to no end. When did the populace, of the USA anyway, become such sheep. Our Founding Fathers, must be rolling in their graves.
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We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created idiots. George you can have them, all hail our red coated overlords.


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Alright, so by your logic, its perfectly alright if a thief steals half of your paycheck, so long as the thief doesn't have to serve any jail time, and suffers no negative effect?
I can't figure out whether you're deliberately twisting my words or just an idiot. There is no one in this entire thread defending pirates, or any sort of thievery. But the measures proposed are of a mindset that is historically prone to abject failure - such measures are easily defeated by the true criminal while the majority suffer through.

Even if in this case the non-criminal would turn out to be the minority, punishing everyone including those that stand blameless of the offense is a considerably worse crime than the original offense. And that is exactly what will be accomplished by this.
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For me personally, I think if more games had demos, you might see less pirating. If I can't play it before I buy it, why make the investment? I'd like more demos and more games on Steam. If I like the game after a demo, I'd buy it, but not giving the user an interactive preview of the gameplay is a deciding factor. More games on steam would be nice though, the lack of a need for changing discs/keeping my own copy is definitely a nice convenience.
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No one is controlling anything, you still have free reign over your computer, the only thing that would be different is your computer wont be able to play pirated game... which shouldn't be a problem for you, or for anyone.
Should I want to play pirated games (and I used should to outline that this is a hypothetical situation as I don't want you spitting out accusations and insults) and they won't allow me doesn't that mean they have taken control away from me? That is exactly what it means. And whether that is a problem for me or not is not something someone else should decide.

Whether I want to be moral and never use pirated software or be the ultimate-scum-thief-criminal-horrible-person-who-should-die-in-pain-for-pirating, that should be my choice and not someone else's.

However let me give you a test, perhaps this will make you understand why I oppose such schemes.

If you think this kind of a measure is fine then tell me what you think of the the following:

You just bought a new car that features a special chip. That chip monitors everything your car is doing. That chip is receiving information from a satellite telling it the speed limit on the portion of road you're traveling on. The moment it detects you going over that speed limit it calls the local police precinct telling them that you just broke the law at which point you'll be fined and have points deduced from your license.

Would you be fine with having such a chip installed in your car?

I wouldn't because it wouldn't help me one bit.
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I LOL at the people thinking that game prices would lower if pirating was stopped. Games have almost always cost at least $50, sometimes more. Anyone else remember the N64? Games for that console would cost $60 minimum and pc/ps games have always cost $50.
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I can't figure out whether you're deliberately twisting my words or just an idiot. There is no one in this entire thread defending pirates, or any sort of thievery.
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And if the past is any indication, they will still have their jobs whether this chip goes into production or not.
You say they will still have a job, but their job is suffering from pirates, what I take from that is you think its alright for people to steal some of someone's intellectual property, so long as there are no repercussions.

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But the measures proposed are of a mindset that is historically prone to abject failure - such measures are easily defeated by the true criminal while the majority suffer through.
We're not talking about the hardcore hackers here, hardcore hackers will ALWAYS prevail. We're talking about the average joes who pirate every single game they own.
It takes almost no mental skill to pirate a game and install it, any PC gamer can do that. but not every PC gamer can find a workaround for a chip that is embedded in their motherboards. which means that the vast majority of pirates will be thwarted by this chip, and I for one thank god for it.

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Even if in this case the non-criminal would turn out to be the minority, punishing everyone including those that stand blameless of the offense is a considerably worse crime than the original offense. And that is exactly what will be accomplished by this.
You keep going on and on about innocent people being "punished",
Exactly what punishment are you talking about? I don't see any law-abiding citizen being even remotely adversely affected by this.

GJ using unnecessarily long words to make yourself sound smarter by the way... Thesaurus.com?



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Should I want to play pirated games (and I used should to outline that this is a hypothetical situation as I don't want you spitting out accusations and insults) and they won't allow me doesn't that mean they have taken control away from me? That is exactly what it means. And whether that is a problem for me or not is not something someone else should decide.

Whether I want to be moral and never use pirated software or be the ultimate-scum-thief-criminal-horrible-person-who-should-die-in-pain-for-pirating, that should be my choice and not someone else's.
Your opinion on this matter is sick, and twisted at best.

If this is how you feel, what is your opinion on police officers, and the entirety of the justice system? You mean to tell me you Should you be allowed to rape and murder people if you wanted to? And that whether or not you want to partake in such actions is your decision to make?

Are you ****ing kidding me?

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If you think this kind of a measure is fine then tell me what you think of the the following:

You just bought a new car that features a special chip. That chip monitors everything your car is doing. That chip is receiving information from a satellite telling it the speed limit on the portion of road you're traveling on. The moment it detects you going over that speed limit it calls the local police precinct telling them that you just broke the law at which point you'll be fined and have points deduced from your license.

Would you be fine with having such a chip installed in your car?
Allow me to repeat myself.

This chip does not spy on you.
This chip does not monitor any online or offline activities.
This chip does not report you to the authorities.

This chip does nothing more than make you unable to install/play pirated games.

So in essence, no, I would not be comfortable having a chip like the one you mentioned in my car. but the fact is, this anti-piracy chip they are talking about is NOTHING like it.
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You say they will still have a job, but their job is suffering from pirates, what I take from that is you think its alright for people to steal some of someone's intellectual property, so long as there are no repercussions.
Not even remotely in the area of what I said.


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We're not talking about the hardcore hackers here, hardcore hackers will ALWAYS prevail.
So what you're telling us is that we have to have it even though it won't work. Note that all of those "pirates"(more like leeches) are using software provided by those "hardcore hackers." That is the situation as it currently stands at this very moment. If they can pick the lock now, and will be able to pick the lock later, it stands to reason that those same masses you're speaking of thwarting will continue to need thwarting, and all the while the rest of us will have to deal with the consequences of what happens when one of these things makes a mistake. That's the "punishment" that I'm speaking of, or perhaps you hadn't heard the CD key problems that every single title ever shipped with one has? Security measures such as these always affect only those that aren't meant to be affected.


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Allow me to repeat myself.

This chip does not spy on you.
This chip does not monitor any online or offline activities.
This chip does not report you to the authorities.

This chip does nothing more than make you unable to install/play pirated games.
Allow me to correct you.

This chip does not spy on you, yet.
This chip does not monitor any online or offline activities, yet.
This chip does not report you to the authorities, yet.

This chip does nothing more than make you unable to install/play pirated games, yet.

When it fails as you've already conceded that it will, those pushing this one will say we need a more advanced one. And it will need to be more intrusive, because obviously the first one didn't go far enough. By the end of this records of every word typed, every link clicked, and program run will be sent to dozens of different "Intellectual Property Holders" in the name of stopping that which has already been determined cannot be stopped.
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