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So... boycott the company that uses this chip, which raises the cost of the mobo, at NO gain to the end user. How dare they force me to buy what I do not need?
you're never forced to buy something you don't need. Also products are not all around the end user. there are other customers out there as well other then the end user.
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Thank you, thats exactly what I've been trying to say.

If I could Rep you, I would.

I really hope that what this chip does is exactly that... Turn the casual pirates away.

However, if it did end up spying on me, I would be against that, but I don't think thats what it does.

It won't turn casual pirates away, IMHO. Unlike the PS3, 360 etc. we have a computer. You can use your CPU for graphics, not well but it can be done. Programs can be written for your GPU so it can act like a CPU. I am sure some little program will be built which will mimic this chip and wala the putrid little chip no longer works.

Do not every think people who steal, borrow, copy (whatever term they use to justify what they do) will let this go unchallenged. heck I bet the first program that mimiks this chip is designed by the same idiots pushing it, so I can purchase the game without having the chip.
    
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All you would need to do to completely bypass this type of DRM is get a memory dump(O-so-easy in Vista, thanks to the built-in keyboard shortcut you can add to your registry) while the game checks that, then cross-reference those memory addresses that accessed that chip with the files that the data came from, then edit those files to, instead of asking that chip, they ask a .dll you put in there, which always says "Yes, it's legal!". Seed this modified game on uTorrent, link on TPB and sit back while Average Joe downloads a pre-cracked copy of his game of choice and enjoys it on his spychip-infested Dell.

Average Joe: 1.
Hardcore Blackhats: 1.
Spychip: 0.

This is probably the same mechanism that blackhats use to develop nocd hax anyways, and a CD requirement is equivalent to this chip in how it would function(Piece of hardware must be present and return certain values or game won't run).


Right or Wrong(And boy is this chip wrong), it's going to fail and it's going to fail epically. I'd bet 10 bucks that within two weeks of the first games coming out using this tech, hardcore pirates start seeding perfectly functional cracked copies of those titles.
Edited by TestECull - 5/24/08 at 11:14pm
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All you would need to do to completely bypass this type of DRM is get a memory dump(O-so-easy in Vista, thanks to the built-in keyboard shortcut you can add to your registry) while the game checks that, then cross-reference those memory addresses that accessed that chip with the files that the data came from, then edit those files to, instead of asking that chip, they ask a .dll you put in there, which always says "Yes, it's legal!". Seed this modified game on uTorrent, link on TPB and sit back while Average Joe downloads a pre-cracked copy of his game of choice and enjoys it on his spychip-infested Dell.

Average Joe: 1.
Hardcore Blackhats: 1.
Spychip: 0.

This is probably the same mechanism that blackhats use to develop nocd hax anyways, and a CD requirement is equivalent to this chip in how it would function(Piece of hardware must be present and return certain values or game won't run).


Right or Wrong(And boy is this chip wrong), it's going to fail and it's going to fail epically. I'd bet 10 bucks that within two weeks of the first games coming out using this tech, hardcore pirates start seeding perfectly functional cracked copies of those titles.
Nice post.

To the bolded part, I'd say that it would be more correct to say
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I'd bet 10 bucks that at least two weeks before the first games coming out using this tech, hardcore pirates start seeding perfectly functional cracked copies of those titles
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Nice post.

To the bolded part, I'd say that it would be more correct to say

heh, yah.

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He who sails the Seven seas of the Internets under the Skull 'n Crossbones shall always have the best software two weeks before it's released

Piracy may be wrong, but it's going to continue. The only sure-fire way to end piracy of new games is to quit making new games. No new games = no piracy of those new games.

Releasing games for free also helps. What's the point of pirating a game you can get for free from the devs themselves?
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All you would need to do to completely bypass this type of DRM is get a memory dump(O-so-easy in Vista, thanks to the built-in keyboard shortcut you can add to your registry) while the game checks that, then cross-reference those memory addresses that accessed that chip with the files that the data came from, then edit those files to, instead of asking that chip, they ask a .dll you put in there, which always says "Yes, it's legal!". Seed this modified game on uTorrent, link on TPB and sit back while Average Joe downloads a pre-cracked copy of his game of choice and enjoys it on his spychip-infested Dell.

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Hardcore Blackhats: 1.
Spychip: 0.

This is probably the same mechanism that blackhats use to develop nocd hax anyways, and a CD requirement is equivalent to this chip in how it would function(Piece of hardware must be present and return certain values or game won't run).


Right or Wrong(And boy is this chip wrong), it's going to fail and it's going to fail epically. I'd bet 10 bucks that within two weeks of the first games coming out using this tech, hardcore pirates start seeding perfectly functional cracked copies of those titles.

Nice post, looks like you put a lot of thought in it...

One fatal flaw.

It's not going to be asking a file on your computer. It's going to be asking the chip itself.. And even if it was that easy... the game wont just be asking for a "yes! It's legal!" message, its asking to decrypt a code, a code which is different for each game.
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okay so when can i start seeing PC games on the store rental shelves?

besides that this isnt 100% full proof, but is infact good news cause it might help the market for us...

if a mobo company was smart they wouldnt use this chip and would be just another reason to purchase from that company
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Nice post, looks like you put a lot of thought in it...

One fatal flaw.

It's not going to be asking a file on your computer. It's going to be asking the chip itself.. And even if it was that easy... the game wont just be asking for a "yes! It's legal!" message, its asking to decrypt a code, a code which is different for each game.

Heh, it will be asking lol.dll after the game's files are edited. The game could also be edited to bypass the check completely. IT's all up to the blackhat cracking it.
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someone will always figure out a way to get around it or just boycott the company that makes those mobos
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Nothing is uncrackable.
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