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Am I a n00b or does that seem really big? I don't know how big a GPU die is supposed to be, but going on the fact that CPU dies are 65 and even 45 nm I couldn't imagine a GPU die really being 10,000 times that size.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just read the link they gave and it said they'd use 65nm. My mistake.
That's the size of the entire die, not a single transistor.

Most dies for CPU/GPU are a couple hundred mm, but 550 is quite large.
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Lets just wait for some proper bechmarks, remember how ati cards look better on paper but the benchmarks say otherwise, I wonder why they wasnt invited? the guy seems like a ideot... maybe thats why.
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Wow, it does sound really biased. I was planning on getting a GTX280GX2, fully expecting it to wipe the floor with the 4870X2 as usual, but even though this is biased, I am going to hold off on getting a new card until both the 4870X2 and GTX280GX2 are out and benchmarked.
You might be waiting a long, long time for that...

I doubt even a switch from 65nm to say, 45nm (if thats even possible for the architecture) Will be able to bring the TDP down from 240W to 160W (the TDP of a 9800gtx)

Anything above 160w is really too hot for a dual-gpu solution... the 9800GX2s already run crazy-hot as it is.
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UGH, for the price of just that card was the price of my mild upgrade. I guess more likely now i'd just buy myself anther 9800GTX until Nvidia gets it straight and makes a rock-solid card.
Get an 8800 Ultra, they are actually faster than the 9800GTX. You could also sell your current 9800GTX for not much loss.
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this was my favorite line
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NVIDIA STAGED ITS regular editors' day, and once again, we were not invited.
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I am willing to bet that Nvidia will either release a 55nm revision of GT280 (think G92) or/and release a GT280X2 by the time that the HD4870X2 is released.
I don't think that a GT280X2 would even be a possibility. It has a huge die size, and the heat output / power requirements alone are really a limiting factor here. However, it will still likely beat the 4870 by a considerable margin.

But for AMD/ATI this is okay because they don't need the 4870 to beat the GTX280 in benchmarks. The 4870 isn't goign to be their flagship product for very long and will be replaced in July/August with the 4870X2. And since a GTX280GX2 is unlikely at this point due to the problems mentioned above, ATI can release the 4870X2 without fear of a quick response by Nvidia in the form of the GTX280X2. This way the 4870 can be sold cheaper, and with the rumored shared memory configuration on the 4870X2 could still stand a chance to compete with Nvidia.

Whatever the 4870/GTX280 turn out to be, this summer will be extremely interesting as far as GPU's go.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 5/24/08 at 4:10pm
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Stopped reading after

"The phrase 'hypocritical worms' come to mind, especially since it was on their roadmap at the time. "

Is the supposed to be an op ed or something?
They are hypocrites... Nvidia badmouthed the 8-pin, and now they've got one.


I am not interested in the 2xx series in the slightest. I'll likely be going 4870, and I may go back to Nvidia if they get the power consumption of the 280 under control once they do the supposed 55nm refresh.

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Get an 8800 Ultra, they are actually faster than the 9800GTX. You could also sell your current 9800GTX for not much loss.
1. He already has one 9800GTX, selling it to buy two Ultras would be silly.

2. The Ultra does not outperform the 9800GTX in all settings/resolutions, and especially not when both cards are OC'ed.
Edited by iandh - 5/24/08 at 4:21pm
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I don't think that a GT280X2 would even be a possibility. It has a huge die size, and the heat output / power requirements alone are really a limiting factor here. However, it will still likely beat the 4870 by a considerable margin.

But for AMD/ATI this is okay because they don't need the 4870 to beat the GTX280 in benchmarks. The 4870 isn't goign to be their flagship product for very long and will be replaced in July/August with the 4870X2. And since a GTX280GX2 is unlikely at this point due to the problems mentioned above, ATI can release the 4870X2 without fear of a quick response by Nvidia in the form of the GTX280X2. This way the 4870 can be sold cheaper, and with the rumored shared memory configuration on the 4870X2 could still stand a chance to compete with Nvidia.

Whatever the 4870/GTX280 turn out to be, this summer will be extremely interesting as far as GPU's go.
Well than I would bet that Nvidia will release a 55nm revision of GT280 when the HD4870X2 is released. Also, considering that the HD4870 is supposedly only 1.3X faster than a 9800GTX than that means that the HD4870X2 is probably going to be around 1.3X faster than the 9800GX2 also. I am willing to bet that a single GT280 will even beat a HD4870X2. Considering that the HD4870X2 will be bottlenecked by the 256bit bus and it might still be plagued with the low performance AA/AF issue. I mean, Nvidia only has to make this card 40% faster or maybe less for it to beat the HD4870X2.
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Well than I would bet that Nvidia will release a 55nm revision of GT280 when the HD4870X2 is released. Also, considering that the HD4870 is supposedly only 1.3X faster than a 9800GTX than that means that the HD4870X2 is probably going to be around 1.3X faster than the 9800GX2 also. I am willing to bet that a single GT280 will even beat a HD4870X2. Considering that the HD4870X2 will be bottlenecked by the 256bit bus and it might still be plagued with the low performance AA/AF issue. I mean, Nvidia only has to make this card 40% faster or maybe less for it to beat the HD4870X2.
While it is entirely possible that a single GT200 will outperform a 4870X2, I'm not thinking it will be a large enough margin to make up for the expected price difference. However, it won't be the size of the memory bus that holds the 4870, etc back. It uses faster GDDR5 memory so a bigger bus isn't required to get the same amount of bandwidth.
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How can I explain this...

*gets an idea*



There we go...
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