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Looks like the new 2665 low point WUs are causing quite a stir among folders over on the stanford forums and elsewhere.
I did notice they seem to take longer with lower yield.

http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.ph...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

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Considering on a 2653 I have a quad with Dual SMPs getting 4400PPD @ 3.2Ghz and now it is barely getting 1500PPD with the 2665 you need to reconsider the points. I mean I didn't invest $500 on nicely overclocked quad folding box for 1500PPD... the wattage to points at this level doesn't even make it attractive! 1500PPD / 175w = 8.5 PpW... :roll: I'm used to in excess of 20PpW. I know its about science, but sheesh at some point you guys need to be consistent!

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I even recall one post from way back when where 7im got so upset about the complaints the threat was made and carried out regarding “bonus” points and they were, as promised, lowered.

On the whole Stanford has a way they would like to see things done and that’s fine if you are an employer, you deserve to have it your way.

I’m not sure if I missed something along the way and perhaps some of you were hired and are receiving a paycheck. As of this moment I am still in volunteer status as I was from the day I signed on many years ago.

The point here is very simple actually, it costs Stanford absolutely nothing to award points. We who to the folding incur all the expense, especially those of us who own our own little farms and spent our hard earned money to build and support them.

We buy our own gear; we pay for our own power, which frankly has become a bigger burden they buying faster hardware. We initiate contests between teams, we constantly increase points and in general provide Stanford with the data it needs to continue on with the project.

For this we ask for nothing more then points. Points once again for which Stanford incurs absolutely zero expense.

This is the part where in the past 7in has jumped in and for what ever reason threatens to have the points system lowered. Maybe he is paying for the points, but I doubt that.

The truth is had we the folders not gone out a purchased new gear several times now these big projects would not be getting done but it is well known on the whole we are a competitive lot and we have always answered the challenge.

All that said, and I have said this before, Stanford should be saying thank you for the free computer time and putting some parity in the point system. Instead just the opposite happens, Stanford apparently feels entitled not only to our work but also in demanding (through coercion) how we use our own gear to their best benefit.

There needs to be some middle ground here. There is no doubt the science is of the utmost importance but the currency of the people who do the work is points.

The fact is we have too many people who have walked away from this project either as individuals or members of teams due to what they felt was a bit of abuse.

We need some commonality here folks other wise this argument which should never have gotten started in the first place will never end or if it does end it won’t be pretty.

Please don’t allow this to happen.
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Just curious since this is looking like a repeat from long ago.
Are we being silently pushed away from using the SMP client
with the reduced points on these work units? It would appear
that this would be an incentive to move to other cores.

Edited by cognoscenti - 5/26/08 at 3:42am
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Thats only because they are missing the point entirely.
They bought the computer to get ppd.
Not to actually try to help.
The helping is just an accident.
They are doing it for the my pc is better than yours thing.
I personally dont care the ppd or the wu.
So long as it gets put to use.
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Agreed. It should not be about the points. It should be about 'folding for the cause'.
    
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Yea, I read on some forums people have canceled this WU 1/2 way through because it is taking too long.
I have it on mine now, and I did do a re-boot, because I thought something was wrong going from 19 min /WU to 40 min/wu. but after I saw it was the same and then googled it, saw it was normal so I am just letting it finish.
People are just getting too wrapped up in the compitetion (which has no "prize" except the research benifit). Nobody forced these people to "invest $500 on nicely overclocked quad folding box" (which sounds like somebody spent too much money on unless it is a GPU folder too).
If you have to cash to have a few quads and want to dedicate them to fold, great. If your putting a dent in your budget to fold, you need to look at whay your doing this. If for research, then my hats off to you, if just for the points, well, get a life.
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I don't even check my stats often anymore. My rig is so rock solid it just cranks them out without error. Over the course of several months not a single unit has hung so I don't even know half the time what my Project # is.

SO don't jump off assuming I am obsessed with points. I have been Folding since I joined OCN and am no "Flash in the Pan"

That said I do think Stanford should watch where they tread. Their aim is to get the science done: we are that vehicle. Competition is a very real incentive for that vehicle to keep motoring along. Anything Stanford does to impact that incentive is going to hurt their science. They need to be fair and more importantly I think SUPPORTIVE.

Some Pissy Reply or Threat from anyone at Stanford is WAY out of line. If there is a community wide uproar over the points shift then Stanford needs to address that because it WILL impact them ultimately.

The issue is about showing some gratitude to the Folding COmmunity and treating us as the VALUABLE PARTNER that we are. Without us there is no Folding Progress. If the community has a concern then Stanford needs to address it...not repress it.

My two cents.
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post #6 of 29
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Its a catch 22 for them in a lot of ways, points are an incentive as it adds the competitive aspect to it but its fairly clear in posts all over the web that the points are a big incentive for many people.


Folding because its charitable and for a good cause carries with it a fear of anyone speaking adversely of it.

Another important thing before people choose who they like and don't like is that everyone is entitled to an opinion
Edited by cognoscenti - 5/26/08 at 8:43am
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Its a catch 22 for them in a lot of ways, points are an incentive as it adds the competitive aspect to it but its fairly clear in posts all over the web that the points are a big incentive for many people.

Another important thing before people choose who they like and don't like is that everyone is entitled to an opinion
This is a very interesting thread. I myself am torn. Of course I fold for the cause, but we all fold for the points as well. I notice that alot of people say " I fold for the cause, I don't care about the points". Well if thats the case, why aren't you folding anonymous, why fold under your name? The only people who truely don't care about the points at all, are the people who fold under anonymous. If you talk the talk, then you better walk the walk. (As Forest Gump says. " And thats all I got to say about that").
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This is a very interesting thread. I myself am torn. Of course I fold for the cause, but we all fold for the points as well. I notice that alot of people say " I fold for the cause, I don't care about the points". Well if thats the case, why aren't you folding anonymous, why fold under your name? The only people who truely don't care about the points at all, are the people who fold under anonymous. If you talk the talk, then you better walk the walk. (As Forest Gump says. " And thats all I got to say about that").
True.
But what do you get out of foilding under a name? the e-rights to brag? a bigger e-peen?
I like the competition aspect of it, but I know I am never going to be number 1. Heck, I will be lucky to break the top 300 for OCN and I have no idea where I fall in the overall ranks, and don't really care.
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Why are people get all upset when they get less PPD. Hey we all like the friendly competition but geez, nobody has the right to complain about this. I've spent some money myself, but hey if Stanford wants me to process a 100 point w/u that takes 20 hours to complete on my quad than so be it.
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1/2 the ppd of a 2653, an exaggeration me thinks.
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