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Downloading a copy of a game is only similar to killing someone or stealing gold in one way: by the laws that prohibit them. I agree, but I think it's a pathetically weak argument. It's better just to say that it breaks the chain of capitalism, a chain that has built the United States from the ground up and has provided roofs and beds and food for everyone here from the US (and elsewhere, just don't want to be assumptive). While I hate game developers and publishers for making terrible products just to turn a profit, completely ignoring the passion and pride they should have for their craft, I have to accept that even profiteering is just as much as part of capitalism as anything else.

Still I've done and probably will continue to do so. However, let's just say the introduction to my purchased copies of Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, and Crysis were slightly illegitimate. I'm not justifying my actions, because I honestly don't care how anyone here judges me, I just wanted to give perspective to both sides of the argument.
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thou shalt not pirate or be stuck down with great might and anger by the RIAA
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I didn't really read most of this thread, cause i've seen it all too many times before.

What I do have to say is this: The speed limit is not a law. Nor are any other driving infractions. This is not semantics, because in every state in the US, you can argue your way out of an road infraction by proving that what you did at the time, whether its speeding, running a red light, or bunny hopping a curb on hydraulics before doing 14 donuts, was the safest decision at the time.

The only law of the road is safety.

Its quite the opposite with piracy. I understand that torrents do not directly cause piracy, and they are not to be held responsible. I understand that the RIAA is desperate in their attempts to combat piracy, but legitimate users (and their wallets) should be protected first. I do not support piracy. I do not support pirates. I do support law abiding owners of torrent trackers, because they are neither.

Heres yet another comparison to be made. Quite often, driving infractions result in somehow endangering the lives of others on the road. With piracy, the only ones being harmed are game developers and record companies. In few cases do the artists of pirated music ever miss a cent of what the record companies give them (after stealing 90% of the profits, of course). But lets say I'm playing CS:S legitimately. And someone else on the server has a pirated copy. How does that affect me? It doesn't. End of story.

Securom, anti-piracy chips, law enforcement chips in cars, all of these are LEGAL and well within the boundaries of the government to employ to stop crime. Does that mean I support them? Hell no. Its usually these kinds of things that hinder legitimate users over others.

But at the same time, it is well within the boundaries of the government to use them. And they will. And, by all means, they really should. You DO have the right to privacy (in this country), the right to a fair trial, the right to remain silent, etc, etc. You do NOT have the right to commit a crime and get away with it, no matter how slick and secretive you are, or how few people/companies you "hurt" in your endeavors. As long as the government has caught you by legal means, you've earned yourself the right to what you've got coming.
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There are a number of pro/anti-piracy threads on this site, many of them re-hashing the same arguments over and over (I have expressed my strong feelings on the matter, to a bunch of people who didn't care what I said and whose arguments I wasn't really paying attention to, on a couple of them). In the interest of serious intellectual debate, and just to keep the g**damn thing a little fresh, I propose that any further submissions on the subject be in the form of a haiku. This will have a number of beneficial effects; it will drive away non-afficianados of esoteric literary forms, and force people to be more concise in their arguments (just to name two).

The haiku form is easy to understand (but oh so hard to master!). A haiku consists of three lines: the first and last lines must (must) have five syllables, while the middle line must have seven (for further elucidation, see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku).

Let me begin:

Living at my 'rents
Morals derived from cartoons
I support pirates!

See? Not so hard! Plus, it's kind of classy! Haikus!

Or how about this one?

God, I hate my dad
But can't tell him - his house! So:
Hate RIAA instead!

You'll notice that I took some liberties with the traditional form in this last offering - the acronym "RIAA" would probably be regarded by most linguists as having more than two syllables (more likely 3-4, depending), but I chose to use it, because I felt that it articulated the feeling that I was trying to express, without betraying the essence of the form. Some leeway is permissible, vis a vis form, as long as you don't go f***ing crazy with it. The main thing is to express the nearly ineffable with concision, preserving, as it were, the implicit silences.

Remember: 5-7-5. Let the concision begin.

edit: Sorry, don't mean to dismiss the issue or dis the other side (too much). Like I said, I have pretty strong feelings on the matter myself. Just trying to get a laugh out of a controversy that looks like it may be around...for a really really long time.
Edited by seward - 5/26/08 at 8:19pm
post #75 of 77
Nice. The pirates are fighting back.
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"They gave me the usernames of two persons who where responsible for 90% of the Icelandic material on TVB,” Unnar said."

Bloody hell - how much stuff do these people have on their PCs!
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Whats next AES gets cracked?
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