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Why am I putting this on a computer hardware news section? Because this discovery could drop the price of plastic and other petrochemicals even further as it has the potential to make the process of drilling for oil a complete waste of resources. Dear Lord, it could destabilize the entire world energy market.




http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59402
And what would be wrong with destabilizing the current setup.
30% to 60% of the price of a barrel of oil is just paying off the oil speculators.
The system is so corrupt that I can't see something else as worse.
We may need oil now but we have to come up with a cleaner alternative soon!
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Also this process of using left over plant matter adds no net carbon to the atmosphere, as the plants got the carbon from the atmosphere in the first place.
Yeah that.
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I have only read the 1st three paragraphs but its good and all if they can turn anything into oil for energy and fuel, but now the problem is not getting oil out as in theory we don't want oil anymore, global warming anyone?

If this goes ahead, everyone will just keep on burning up our atmosphere.
Actually it's carbon neutral. It's takes the carbon that already exists in nature and returns it to nature - CO2 to grow the plants, changed into hydrocarbons, returned into nature - making it completely renewable. But before the zero carbon tech can actually get to the market, the stranglehold of the petrochemical industry must be broken.

I didn't mean to imply that destabilizing the market would be a bad thing, quite the contrary it would be glorious.
Edited by Jarhead - 5/26/08 at 12:26pm
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that's amazing. well done scientists!
    
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This is very much not true, although an understandable conclusion as the article was misleading. When the article says they produced "oil" they don't mean the petrol that you put in your car, or the black sludge that comes from the ground, they mean methane. Methane burns much more cleanly than other hydrocarbons, as it is the simplest one. Also this process of using left over plant matter adds no net carbon to the atmosphere, as the plants got the carbon from the atmosphere in the first place.
An interesting prospect.
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The Company CWT beat them to the punch back in 1998. CWT uses a different approach, instead of "biofuel" created by bacteria, they have developed a process called Thermostable Depolymerization (TSDP) that utilizes off the shelf oil refining equipment.

TSDP actually has an advantage over this "biomethod", you can use anything that has organic material- not just food waste and plant material, but hazardous chemicals, styrofoam, and plastics too, and even mixed materials that include non-organic materials, which are converted to raw minerals.

In 2002 ConAgra opened the first commercial TSDP facility to process 200 tons of turkey guts every day. Initial reports were that 100% of the BTUs were recovered, 15% of them returned to fuel the process- making it about 85% efficient. Keep in mind the input is 100% organic material, so mixed wastes like computer monitors and TVs will lower the efficency but produce medical grade minerals and usable metal alloys.

Four more TSDP plants are going in world wide- one in Philadelphia, one in Italy, one in Greece, and the fourth in Germany.

Do a search for the article "Anything into Oil." from Discover magizine....you will find the details in the original and follow up articles.

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Originally Posted by metala View Post
I don't think methane can be compared to the oil.
It can be used as a fuel, but nothing to do with the plastics and PVC.

Safe??? Believe me, they are not. Shuttles are using LH and LO, and they explode very often.
It seems that electric cars are more efficient.
It has EVERYTHING to do with plascics and PVC. Where do you think the fuel comes from to get the heat needed to polymerize oil?

Look up the NTSB tests on High pressure hydrogen tanks vs. gasoline tanks. They actually set 2 cars on fire, one with hydrogen and one with gasoline. The pressure of the hydrogen kept the fire from entering the cylinder, and did not explode- just merely shot a jet of fire 15 feet into the air for a few minutes thnen died. The Gasoline car burned a few minutes, then exploded impressively, sending burning schrapnel flying for hundreds of feet. Hydrogen is by far safer than gasoline.
Edited by Ravin - 5/26/08 at 12:33pm
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post #17 of 52
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Just a little note here.
The oil thing sounds great, but I disagree with what most people are saying.
If you look back at the last 50 years, there have been many so called 'environment scares' all banded about my the same type of people (sandals, heavily bearded.......), and none of them have come to anything - as far as I know parts of my anatomy have not fallen off yet.
I think you people should watch 'the great global warming swindle'.
Completely agree. People are so gullible to believe the media. There's 30,000 scientist who have signed a document that says global warming is baseless, and far from fact.
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Thanks for that Ravin . At least there are two companies in the world trying different approaches with the same goal. Better than just one company

You know what the funny thing is. In about a 1,000 years time the human race will be complaining. We will be planning on how the hell we are going to get rid of all the natural oil resources because will never need to touch them. And the new 'biofuel' companies will have a stranglehold like the oil companies of today so that we don't use the natural oil. Obviously that will be bad for their business

Too much oil.....who would have though
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post #19 of 52
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The Company CWT beat them to the punch back in 1998. CWT uses a different approach, instead of "biofuel" created by bacteria, they have developed a process called Thermostable Depolymerization (TSDP) that utilizes off the shelf oil refining equipment.

TSDP actually has an advantage over this "biomethod", you can use anything that has organic material- not just food waste and plant material, but hazardous chemicals, styrofoam, and plastics too, and even mixed materials that include non-organic materials, which are converted to raw minerals.

In 2002 ConAgra opened the first commercial TSDP facility to process 200 tons of turkey guts every day. Initial reports were that 100% of the BTUs were recovered, 15% of them returned to fuel the process- making it about 85% efficient. Keep in mind the input is 100% organic material, so mixed wastes like computer monitors and TVs will lower the efficency but produce medical grade minerals and usable metal alloys.

Four more TSDP plants are going in world wide- one in Philadelphia, one in Italy, one in Greece, and the fourth in Germany.

Do a search for the article "Anything into Oil." from Discover magizine....you will find the details in the original and follow up articles.
Last I heard about TSDP was that, while it had the amazing ability to turn anything, any trash, into fertilizer, metals, and fuel, it wasn't economically competitive. They coulden't get the oil subsidies from the US government.
Also, the fuel produced was on the level of unrefined gas, the kind that goes into power plants, but requires extra refining to be used in your car. By contrast, this bio-method produces mostly the cleanest burning and refined fuel-Methane. This knowledge was based on what I had read a couple of years ago though, so they could have improved by then.

On the other hand both technologies are rather amazing, and if somehow combined could probably be even better. Use TSDP techniques to increase the range of materials accepted by the bio-process, or using the bio-process to increase the cost effectiveness and purity of output of the TSDP.
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This is NOT a breakthrough, just because you haven't heard of it before doesn't make it a breakthrough.

There are companies out there that use bacteria to convert starch into plastic, making plastic plates, cups, forks, spoons and etc.

NOT A BREAKTHROUGH!
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