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lol McIntosh

"Hold, on a second, lemme go grab my McBook"
"what?"
"yeah... um... its irish."
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This makes me incredibly sad. I have a massive ugly set of Cambridge soundworks 7.1 speakers for my gaming PC which I purchased 10 years ago. They still sound amazing, much better than my BOSE iPod dock. Sad that fashion is taking away quality.
    
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Originally Posted by Kamakazi View Post
Well, I am no audiophile, let me just get that out of the way real quick.

But I do know that there are differences in how things sound and even I think Ipod docks sound so, obscenely, ick. Ick ick ick.
I agree. I am SO far from being an audiophile. I like my onboard THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT! Even I can hear how crappy those ipod speaker docks are. And people I know who think they're audiophiles buy BOSE.
    
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post #14 of 25
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The degradation of audio quality in favor of capacity is not a new problem. It also doesn't help that CD recording quality is dropping drastically. Damn the loudness wars.


Thankfully, there's still a few of us audiophiles left. =D



Not to take this thread on too much of a tangent, but I've recently become aware of this phenomenon myself. I've been ripping/listening to a ton of CDs lately , my own and a few newer ones I've borrowed. I'm shocked at how crappy some of the more recent recent stuff sounds. I'm talking about the sound quality, very muddy and indistinct. It is very annoying. That's how I became aware of the "loudness wars." It also makes me skittish about buying any "remastered" older CD, in favor of seeking out original versions at used record stores.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war



Anyway...I stumbled upon an interesting Rolling Stone article on the same topic, which may interest some:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...high_fidelity/



Quote:
...Over the past decade and a half, a revolution in recording technology has changed the way albums are produced, mixed and mastered — almost always for the worse. "They make it loud to get[listeners'] attention," Bendeth says. Engineers do that by applying dynamic range compression, which reduces the difference between the loudest and softest sounds in a song. Like many of his peers, Bendeth believes that relying too much on this effect can obscure sonic detail, rob music of its emotional power and leave listeners with what engineers call ear fatigue. "I think most everything is mastered a little too loud," Bendeth says. "The industry decided that it's a volume contest."

Producers and engineers call this "the loudness war," and it has changed the way almost every new pop and rock album sounds. But volume isn't the only issue. Computer programs like Pro Tools, which let audio engineers manipulate sound the way a word processor edits text, make musicians sound unnaturally perfect. And today's listeners consume an increasing amount of music on MP3, which eliminates much of the data from the original CD file and can leave music sounding tinny or hollow. "With all the technical innovation, music sounds worse," says Steely Dan's Donald Fagen, who has made what are considered some of the best-sounding records of all time. "God is in the details. But there are no details anymore."
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Yeah, I read that Rolling Stone article too. It's sad really. But there are people who are aware of the problems and are trying to make things better. I would love a high quality sound setup, but it's in a list of other purchase priorities. I've been buying vinyls of my favorite albums for the past couple of years in hopes of one day having a respectable sound setup to play them on. Audiophiles won't go away, they'll just be harder to find.

I at least hope that with larger hard drives coming out all the time and internet speeds increasing, FLAC will eventually become the new digital download standard and NOT mp3. That will be a small victory in itself. iPods really need to natively support FLAC. With 160GB iPods out there now, it's not a matter of a storage problem for not supporting it.
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Well, in defense of the times... People don't want expensive sound setups the way they used to. Other times people can't afford it (becoming WAY more common). Other times its impractical (apartments, the possibility of noise complaints). But yeah, the mp3 with its 128kbps sounding pretty good (though yeah... it IS lacking) and the iPod with its ability to let you listen to WHAT you want without switching betweend CD's and stuff and its portability and compatability...

What can you say? It is just VASTLY easier. Me, I'm a college student. I listen to music on headphones. Walking around, going to the gym, or playing on the comp... I use headphones. I can't afford a nice big setup. I don't have CD's with me (at home) so no need for a CD player. I also don't want noise complaints living in an apartment. I'm sure there are lots of people who are in a boat like me to include people living in houses with finnicky neighbors.

My mom was a huge audiophile and still has a big setup. She doesn't use it anymore. She has the iPod with a portable player. She loves it. No need to change CD's, or climb the stairs when you wont to adjust anything. Writing this I think the key anymore is ease of use with mobility and affordability.

Face it big setups don't have that. In their defense though, 128kbps and a little mobile setup ain't got SHEETZ on a nice setup period. So I will never ***** about bad sound quality until I go spend the cash on a GOOD setup. And also, I refuse to copy my CD's at anything less than the maximum quality.
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Well, in defense of the times... People don't want expensive sound setups the way they used to. Other times people can't afford it (becoming WAY more common). Other times its impractical (apartments, the possibility of noise complaints). But yeah, the mp3 with its 128kbps sounding pretty good (though yeah... it IS lacking) and the iPod with its ability to let you listen to WHAT you want without switching betweend CD's and stuff and its portability and compatability...

What can you say? It is just VASTLY easier. Me, I'm a college student. I listen to music on headphones. Walking around, going to the gym, or playing on the comp... I use headphones. I can't afford a nice big setup. I don't have CD's with me (at home) so no need for a CD player. I also don't want noise complaints living in an apartment. I'm sure there are lots of people who are in a boat like me to include people living in houses with finnicky neighbors.

My mom was a huge audiophile and still has a big setup. She doesn't use it anymore. She has the iPod with a portable player. She loves it. No need to change CD's, or climb the stairs when you wont to adjust anything. Writing this I think the key anymore is ease of use with mobility and affordability.

Face it big setups don't have that. In their defense though, 128kbps and a little mobile setup ain't got SHEETZ on a nice setup period. So I will never ***** about bad sound quality until I go spend the cash on a GOOD setup. And also, I refuse to copy my CD's at anything less than the maximum quality.
My point was that many people don't even know what 128kb/s means, let alone that listening to 128kb/s music is like eating monkey feces and thinking it's a New York strip. They don't know that they can run 320kb/s music on MP3 players with much better sound quality than the iPods.
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My point was that many people don't even know what 128kb/s means, let alone that listening to 128kb/s music is like eating monkey feces and thinking it's a New York strip. They don't know that they can run 320kb/s music on MP3 players with much better sound quality than the iPods.
HAHA!!

Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I'm glad I know that I can go for 320kpbs so I do it when I can.
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I have to disagree with the article a little bit. I do agree that audio quality has taken a backseat to fastfood style consumerism but I have to disagree that you have to have a bulky shelf component system and shun digital to be an audiophile. There is a new generation of audiophile who's sound system is the pc. With FLAC and other truly lossless formats gaining popularity, with a good soundcard and headphones you can have superior sound to a component with cd or even vinyl.
I think his point was that you used to have a decent receiver and amp (which will make a difference in the audio quality), but now people just buy an ipod dock instead.
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I personally hate to hear that news. I grew up with the component system and hopefully will be able to buy one when I get my own home. For right now, I do listen primarily with headphones and mp3 music; however, I have a pair of HD280pros and most of my mp3s are in 256-320/kbps.

I can agree with the fact that cd's are going away but I am frustrated that everyone thinks 128/kbps is good enough. I found out through experience that while the mid range is mostly intact, you might as well listen with a pair of tiny laptop speakers because the bass is just as distorted in the ripping process as it would be when it came out of the speakers. Is it really that difficult to provide lossless audio or high bitrate mp3? I don''t currently use lossless due to so little support including my Archos but it's not like that will change is everybody keeps providing the same stuff they provide now.

Well, in any case it looks like I need to start watching equipment so I don't miss out on any of the still available components. I kind of need something else anyway, it is really irking me that I am listening to my Blue Man Audio surround sound dvd and having wmp or my soundcard or some combination of both kill off the bass. I mean this disc normally rattles the subwoofer of any systems it's played on without being excessive and now its almost as bad as 128k bass.
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