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First off, 100% scaling is not at all possible, so adding 2x 320sp GPU's won't work like that.

Also, multithreading is in the App. Look at rendering, not at game performance for a view of what mutlithreaded apps can do.

Developers have to work hard to utilize multiple GPU's. multi-GPU configurations can have issues in certain games as well.

CPU's are handled to a degree by the Operating system, which is why when I look at my core utilization with Vista and a ton of things up, it is 3-5% across all cores (each one fluctuating a little) as opposed to 1 core running at 25%.
100%+ scaling IS possible. I think the 2 core on 1 PCB is a great approach for AMD. They are cash strapped at the moment so why invest a bunch of cash for like 10% of the market? Plus they have a great foundation with crossfire and CrossfireX.

Edited by Somenoob - 5/27/08 at 2:59pm
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We will see Who will win
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You're comparing Quad-to-dual-core CPUs, but single-dual GPUs? Look at the gains going from a single core to a dual-core CPU, especially when doing 3D renders.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone in the enthusiast segment is still on a single core cpu lol

And the transition from single to dual was much more pronounced because before, with a single core, you had to run everything on 1 core, operating system, background apps, and antivirus scanners etc, which left little room for the game to squeeze itself in... dual cores let the game have its own free core to work with while everything else sits in the background.
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All I'll say is, which card is it has the highest 3dmark06 score? Oh yeah, 2 3870x2 cards in xCrossfire!
    
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Nvidia will likely have the performance crown...however, it will use up tons more power, will run much hotter, and will cost two boatloads of cash and an unmentionable body part.

ATI will probably not have the performance crown. At least not with the 4870, and quite potentially not with the 4870x2. But they will cost significantly less, use less power, and run cooler.

It will be a matter of what you want, cutting edge performance, or very good performance and money to spend on something else.
    
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All I'll say is, which card is it has the highest 3dmark06 score? Oh yeah, 2 3870x2 cards in xCrossfire!
Sorry for the double post here, but most of that score is from the CPU and not the cards. That is truly Nvidia's only Achille's Heel, is that you still need an Nvidia chipset board to run SLI, and they just don't seem to run at the same speeds that the Intel based boards can/do.
    
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post #27 of 34
It comes down to the fact that:

1) ATi make good products for the price

2) Not everyone has $500+ to shell out for a video card

3) Crossfire >>>>>> SLi

4) 9800GX2 < HD3870X2 in my mind because the drivers suck.

5) Nvidia is acting like a company that can't handle the limelight and must brag at every possible opportunity. If there is something to be learnt from intel/amd/ati, it is modesty. We all remember times when nvidia were getting butt hurt from Ati and they never acted like this.
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ATIs approch will be the better design in the long hull..
assuming they perfect the core to core interface they will have flexablility like so..

1. they can add cores with next to no engeering..

2. adding cards will scale better.. just like what is seen now if not better..

the fact that ATI cards scale better then nvidea shows just how far ahead they are in core to core interfaces and load ballencing the cores..

100% effecency scaling will never be possible.. adding cores simply adds overhead.. but making it more efficent is what ATI is doing.. and the X2 cards and the X3s will reap the benefits.. not to mention keep AMDs head above water if intel wants compitition in 2 yrs
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It comes down to the fact that:

1) ATi make good products for the price

2) Not everyone has $500+ to shell out for a video card

3) Crossfire >>>>>> SLi

4) 9800GX2 < HD3870X2 in my mind because the drivers suck.

5) Nvidia is acting like a company that can't handle the limelight and must brag at every possible opportunity. If there is something to be learnt from intel/amd/ati, it is modesty. We all remember times when nvidia were getting butt hurt from Ati and they never acted like this.
1.) Both companies make excellent products at equally as excellant prices.

2.) Not too many people buy $500 cards, however if you have the most powerful card, then you get to decide the entire price line-up for your opponent.

3.) One review said Crossfire was better, and now everyone assumes it is. They are both around the same, with the deciding factor being hte game.

4.) Drivers on the Green side are quite good, and again, it is the games use of the power that really matters.

5.) Buying products based upon a companies attitude is not the way to go, buying based on if an ATI card is in your price range vs an Nvidia card is more the way to buy.

I think that Nvidia has every right to brag, and why not? They have been releasing incredible products, they have released GPU's every few years that are usually much faster than their predecessors. Just compare that with Intel or AMD, when is the last time they released a CPU that was 50% faster than the older model? Then they invented CUDA and have done incredible things to make GPGPU possible for Physics, encoding, soon to be photosho stuff, simply incredible things. Add that to the fact that they have been playing second fiddle to Intel, and have had bad relations with the chip giant, and you have a proud company just coming onto its own in many fields.
    
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1.) Both companies make excellent products at equally as excellant prices.
Yeah, Agree with you there.

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2.) Not too many people buy $500 cards, however if you have the most powerful card, then you get to decide the entire price line-up for your opponent.
Agree there too.

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3.) One review said Crossfire was better, and now everyone assumes it is. They are both around the same, with the deciding factor being hte game.
Crossfire does scale better than SLI, why do you think three HD3870's can stand up to 3 (faster) 8800GTX's?

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4.) Drivers on the Green side are quite good, and again, it is the games use of the power that really matters.
IMO both company's drivers suck, with ATI's a little ahead, but ATI has a rep for having really bad drivers at card launches, but then making the drivers better.

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5.) Buying products based upon a companies attitude is not the way to go, buying based on if an ATI card is in your price range vs an Nvidia card is more the way to buy.

I think that Nvidia has every right to brag, and why not? They have been releasing incredible products, they have released GPU's every few years that are usually much faster than their predecessors. Just compare that with Intel or AMD, when is the last time they released a CPU that was 50% faster than the older model? Then they invented CUDA and have done incredible things to make GPGPU possible for Physics, encoding, soon to be photosho stuff, simply incredible things. Add that to the fact that they have been playing second fiddle to Intel, and have had bad relations with the chip giant, and you have a proud company just coming onto its own in many fields.
I could understand if it wasn't companys, when your a company, and making products, don't brag, maybe get some rep for it, but if Intel, AMD, ATI, IBM, MS, etc don't brag when they're at the top, why should nVidia?

Not to mention, they have no right to brag right now, with renamed the 8 series into 9 series cards and all.
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