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The Microsoft test can be tricky. I have my MCDST. Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician. It consist of 70-271 and 70-272. I passed 70-272 on the first try adn 70-271 on the second try. I studied for those by using a training guide and playing with Windows XP at the same time.
MCDST is the next step for me. If i can get my A+, i'm sure i can get the company to send me to MS school somwhere and pay for it. I understand the A+ is the most basic cert. to get, but it will help me move forward in my job.
    
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the A+ asks a ton of obsolete questions and printer questions.
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MCDST is the next step for me. If i can get my A+, i'm sure i can get the company to send me to MS school somwhere and pay for it. I understand the A+ is the most basic cert. to get, but it will help me move forward in my job.
You wouldn't be going to a school for certifications.

Get a Bachlors in IT and that would pretty much cover most certifications. Then you could get the MCSE/MCSA in your free time, or get your employer to pay for it.

Also after college the Cisco courses are great to take. Again these both would require college education.
    
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You wouldn't be going to a school for certifications.

Get a Bachlors in IT and that would pretty much cover most certifications. Then you could get the MCSE/MCSA in your free time, or get your employer to pay for it.

Also after college the Cisco courses are great to take. Again these both would require college education.
Technically MS offers a week long training course for the MCDST, which is what i meant by school.

Either way, i was looking for help and/or advice on the subject, as i am following the suggestions of my boss, and he knows how to advance in the company.

That having been said, i appreciate your oppinions on the matter, but i'm looking for constructive advice regarding the A+ test/certification.
    
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Technically MS offers a week long training course for the MCDST, which is what i meant by school.

Either way, i was looking for help and/or advice on the subject, as i am following the suggestions of my boss, and he knows how to advance in the company.

That having been said, i appreciate your oppinions on the matter, but i'm looking for constructive advice regarding the A+ test/certification.
I had no degree or training when I took the A+ and MCDST. I passed both. A college education is not required to pass a Microsoft test. Just study hard and you CAN pass. If your boss is telling you the way to advance in the company, then I would have to go with what he says.

If you are set on getting your A+, buy a book and read and read and read.
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I had no degree or training when I took the A+ and MCDST. I passed both. A college education is not required to pass a Microsoft test. Just study hard and you CAN pass. If your boss is telling you the way to advance in the company, then I would have to go with what he says.

If you are set on getting your A+, buy a book and read and read and read.
Have you taken the MCSA or MCSE tests yet? How about the CCNA ones? I believe those will require a degree; though you could technically get by without it, it would certainly be nearly impossible.
    
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Good for you..I'm in the process of getting mine. The books i ordered were from Sybex. It's the CompTIA Complete study guide. Covers all four CompTIA A+ exams. Even comes with 8 practice exams and electronic flashcards. I'm not too far into the book yet but so far so good. Good Luck
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Have you taken the MCSA or MCSE tests yet? How about the CCNA ones? I believe those will require a degree; though you could technically get by without it, it would certainly be nearly impossible.
I have not taken MCSA or MCSE. I have not taken CCNA yet either... though I plan to start preparing for in the near future.

I am sure they do require a degree.. which I will have in about 9 months. I am just saying that it is possible to obtain a M$ certification without having a degree.

I currently work as a Laptop/Desktop technician and half of the stuff I studied in order to get my MCDST... I have not even encourtered yet. So experience helps, but also is not required for M$ tests.
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You wouldn't be going to a school for certifications.

Get a Bachlors in IT and that would pretty much cover most certifications. Then you could get the MCSE/MCSA in your free time, or get your employer to pay for it.

Also after college the Cisco courses are great to take. Again these both would require college education.
First off... Degrees are more or less useless for a technician that is just starting out and trying to get their feet wet. As a person who has worked starting out from a residential desktop technician to a full blown Network/Sys Admin I would say that A+, Net+, Sec+ are more or less essential, as those tests are capable of confirming ones ability in the fundamentals of managing computer systems.

I would say go to a school that is geared toward (an accelerated learning college) IT and classes are based on and prepare you for these certifications as well as Microsoft's certifications. These schools will have general eds as well but will not focus on them. In other words, you wont spend two years wasting your time in math and english like you would at a traditional university.

The only thing I would say if you were going to attend an accelerated learning college would be to make sure the college is not only nationally accredited but regionally accredited. Regional accreditation holds a whole heck of a lot more weight than national accreditation in terms of transferring credits to a traditional university (in your area) if you ever choose to do so.

My current experience has shown that most administrative/support jobs (and by that I mean the guys that actually touch the system) dont even ask for a degree. They ask for certifcations (and, idiotically, mostly an MCSE) and for experience. Unfortunately for some, experience with advanced skill sets will get you further and more money in this business than any other factor.

Finally, if you ever want to be the guy running the show, you know... the guy that just heads up IT departments and manages IT projects (i.e., IT Directors, Project Managers) and doesnt actually touch the system, THEN you need a 4 year degree with all of your certifications and, from what Ive seen, a good 10 years under your belt as a Network/Sys Admin.

This is the model that I have followed. And in just 2 years into the business as a desktop technician and by my last semester of college I landed a my first job as a Systems Admin at 25/hr. I think for the area I live in that was just way more than I could realistically ask for.

I have moved up slightly since then and am on my second IT firm for which I think I have more room for advancement and the fact that I more or less run the show here (which is nice sometimes).

If you want to succeed in IT you just have to be hungry. There are a surprising number of slacker admins out there just waiting for you to take their jobs. I really was surprised at some of the shoddy work that is done by your average admin.

Anyway, Good Luck!
    
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First off... Degrees are more or less useless for a technician that is just starting out and trying to get their feet wet. As a person who has worked starting out from a residential desktop technician to a full blown Network/Sys Admin I would say that A+, Net+, Sec+ are more or less essential, as those tests are capable of confirming ones ability in the fundamentals of managing computer systems.

I would say go to a school that is geared toward (an accelerated learning college) IT and classes are based on and prepare you for these certifications as well as Microsoft's certifications. These schools will have general eds as well but will not focus on them. In other words, you wont spend two years wasting your time in math and english like you would at a traditional university.

The only thing I would say if you were going to attend an accelerated learning college would be to make sure the college is not only nationally accredited but regionally accredited. Regional accreditation holds a whole heck of a lot more weight than national accreditation in terms of transferring credits to a traditional university (in your area) if you ever choose to do so.

My current experience has shown that most administrative/support jobs (and by that I mean the guys that actually touch the system) dont even ask for a degree. They ask for certifcations (and, idiotically, mostly an MCSE) and for experience. Unfortunately for some, experience with advanced skill sets will get you further and more money in this business than any other factor.

Finally, if you ever want to be the guy running the show, you know... the guy that just heads up IT departments and manages IT projects (i.e., IT Directors, Project Managers) and doesnt actually touch the system, THEN you need a 4 year degree with all of your certifications and, from what Ive seen, a good 10 years under your belt as a Network/Sys Admin.

This is the model that I have followed. And in just 2 years into the business as a desktop technician and by my last semester of college I landed a my first job as a Systems Admin at 25/hr. I think for the area I live in that was just way more than I could realistically ask for.

I have moved up slightly since then and am on my second IT firm for which I think I have more room for advancement and the fact that I more or less run the show here (which is nice sometimes).

If you want to succeed in IT you just have to be hungry. There are a surprising number of slacker admins out there just waiting for you to take their jobs. I really was surprised at some of the shoddy work that is done by your average admin.

Anyway, Good Luck!

In all honesty... I despise classrooms and school. You have to take a majority of classes that have no usefulness in the IT field. I would love to just have all certifications and no degrees, but unfortunately the location I currently live in looks at a degree first most times. That is why I decided to get a degree. Plus money is tight with other things and the company I currently work for decided to quit paying for certifications. So certifications are on the back burner until I start my new job.
The latest job I interviewed for was great. No degree required….. just experience and certifications. For the area I live in the pay is really good ($22 hour). I actually got the job despite only have 2 years experience in the field.
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