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Alright, first of all, I'm a fresh registered member, started reading your forums about a week ago, and was very interested by the vast, and rich informations. Rep for the community.

Now, some informations. All of my computers have always shared the same general guidelines:

- AMD
- NVIDIA

I was initially given an AMD/NVIDIA, and ended up continuing to purchase them by choice.

Alas, my old rig doesn't cut it anymore, and I was looking forward to a good upgrade. In fact, I don't want just a good upgrade. I want one that I will enjoy for a very long amount of time, hence why I have a good budget ahead of me. I've been reading hardware reviews all week, I know a fair amount in computers, but I must admit hardware isn't my strong point.

Also, do note that I have never overclocked before, and that this time around, I don't wish to miss the boat. I want to jump in, and understand as much as humanly possible before I settle for what I want. I've read that some companies OCs better than others, so give me your advice on what would OC the best to you/what would give a better general performance. This PC will be used mainly for gaming and video rendering.

So now, the rig that I'm planning. Feel free to make any comments you wish, they will gladly be heard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249
AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz - 235$

Reason: Unless Intel makes a hell of a difference, I want to continue supporting AMD. I did hesitate this time around which I didn't for all of my previous purchases. Would moving to Intel be worth it that much?



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130318
2 x EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported (189$)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143080
2 x BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOCE GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported (379$)

Reason: Then again, I'm a fan of SLI, haven't tried Crossfire but some problems with ATI cards back in the day make me want to avoid them at all cost though I am aware that one doesn't make them all the same. Then again if you feel like I'd get a significant boost difference, let me know. As for me hesitating, it's not much about the price, but the brand. I'm not too sure what to look for in the headers, I look at the chipset, bus, and memory, is there anything else to check really? I mean, the memory and GPU clock can be OC'd(one of them is OC'd already too, which I suppose they make some extra money from), so would I need to worry about that?

And I also am hesitating because I feel more than 1 GB of Ram on the graphic card is more than enough to run games at high-res, then again correct me if I'm wrong.


CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5D - 164$

Reason: I've read numerous things about different brand of memory, but which one has better general performances/OC performances, I'm not too sure. I did read these forums a bit and saw a couple brands, but maybe someone could shed some light to me on that one.



ASUS Crosshair II Formula AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 780a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard 274$

Reason: Well my old rig was a Crosshair and I enjoyed it, but to be honest I doubt I've used half of the options and junk that came with it. I have a feeling Crosshair Formula II will be about the same. A very nice board with a lot of options, but that in the end, I want great speed, cooling and overclocking. Any other suggestions?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009125
Acer P243WAid Black-Silver 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP Support 400 cd/m2 3000:1 ACM - 389$

Reason:

Well the screen is what you look at the whole time you're sitting there, so I want something of very high quality, but not over 500$. I'm unsure if this fits. I've also seen some neat screen-in-screen features on some Dell widescreens at work, I wonder if any other brands would do the same type of thing? I was thinking to make my PS3 on one of the displays until I get a better looking TV.

Hard drives:

2xVelociraptor(or whatever, the 300 GB SATA2 10k rpm ones x 2 in RAID 0)

Reason: I don't think there's anything better, unless I slapped a third or fourth disk in that raid. xD

Case:

None selected.

Reason: I have yet to read the case forum, lol. On all seriousness, I'm not sure which cooling solution to go for with overclocking, counting that it gets fairly hot in my room as well during summer. And I suppose the second I know what cooling to go for, I can figure out what case to get. Feel free to shed some light to me if you want, though it's in the wrong section, you'll probably see a post of me over there anyhow.



Thanks for the comments and tips, very much appreciated.
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Nice choices. About the best you can get for an AMD rig. However, AMD + SLI is becoming a rare breed (esp. since ATI = AMD now).

Intel DOES make quite a difference. A Q6700, for example, will beat the Phenom handily... and on top overclocks MUCH better also. I respect your loyalty for AMD, but honestly, Intel is on top right now.

Here are suggestions for an Intel variation:
MoBo: XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI Intel Motherboard - Retail $249.99
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6700 - Retail $279.99

Just about the same price as the AMD counterparts, but it'll perform better.
Edited by Chozart - 5/27/08 at 5:27pm
    
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
Nice choices. About the best you can get for an AMD rig. However, AMD + SLI is becoming a rare breed (esp. since ATI = AMD now).

Intel DOES make quite a difference. A Q6700, for example, will beat the Phenom handily... and on top overclocks MUCH better also. I respect your loyalty for AMD, but honestly, Intel is on top right now.

Here are suggestions for an Intel variation:
MoBo: XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI Intel Motherboard - Retail $249.99
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6700 - Retail $279.99

Just about the same price as the AMD counterparts, but it'll perform better.
I wasn't aware of the ATI = AMD thing. Then I suppose I will have to part ways with either NVIDIA or AMD, as I would suppose they won't be working too hard on SLI from now on, making things a little harder and probably a little slower. You're always more motivated to make the things that belongs to you work a little better, I guess.

The intel alternative sounds better, any cons compared to Phenoms? I've heard Intel tends to lose power over time, while AMD keeps it longer? Don't ask me where, or don't make fun of me if it's a load of bull, I can't pinpoint where I read that from.

What about OC capabilities? I suppose I'm in the wrong forum to be asking such questions now if I take a heel turn. Would performance difference be noticeable? I know Intel has the bigger part of the stick at the moment.

Thank you kindly for your suggestions and comments, appreciated.
    
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Phenom 9850 is a good choice. Get a AMD 790FX series boards from a good manufacturer if you really want to push the beast.
Here is the link for motherboards recommended by AMD for the 9850.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/Recomm...t=motherboard&
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Hmm.. How about this. If someone goes for an AMD solution, then give an ATI solution including crossfire. Same for NVIDIA and Intel.

Thank you!

I just want to pair up different opinions and compare.
    
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
Nice choices. About the best you can get for an AMD rig. However, AMD + SLI is becoming a rare breed (esp. since ATI = AMD now).

Intel DOES make quite a difference. A Q6700, for example, will beat the Phenom handily... and on top overclocks MUCH better also. I respect your loyalty for AMD, but honestly, Intel is on top right now.

Here are suggestions for an Intel variation:
MoBo: XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI Intel Motherboard - Retail $249.99
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6700 - Retail $279.99

Just about the same price as the AMD counterparts, but it'll perform better.
Personally I feel that SLI or XFire are both becoming redundant... I *feel* that the next-gen(or next-next-gen) GFX cards will make dual-cards/SLi redundant.

The GPU is fast becoming a true CPU in its own right. 2 Cards is the past, and single GPU/Physics will soon become the accepted norm.

Why do I think this?

Because I can - my thoughts are in advance of my self lol
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My Intel/nVidia suggestions (just the core parts - all from Newegg):
  • XFX MB-N780-ISH9 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI Intel Motherboard $249.99
  • 2X XFX PVT88GYDF4 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $479.98 (for the pair)
  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6700 $279.99
  • G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK $139.99
Total: $1,149.95
This will deal with any game you can throw at it.

Nay.. SLI / Crossfire won't become redundant. At this moment, current generation card cannot keep up with games. Thus, you'll need multiple cards to keep up. The next generation is not going to be *that* much faster than the current generation (I've heard about 50%, which is PATHETIC. usually, performance doubles from generation to generation.. roughly)
    
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Originally Posted by Pouleterie View Post
Hmm.. How about this. If someone goes for an AMD solution, then give an ATI solution including crossfire. Same for NVIDIA and Intel.

Thank you!

I just want to pair up different opinions and compare.
Nvidia and AMD won't perform slower. And AMD boards with Nvidia chipsets aren't any slower than one with an AMD chipset. In fact, it's in Nvidia's best interest to make a helluva' good chipset for AMD boards, so people will be inclined to choose them, instead of the AMD chipset boards. I hope that makes some sense.

With that said, you would get much better performance out of the Q6700/780i combo Chozart posted. Not because of Nvidia/AMD, but because it's a much better overclocking processor that it's AMD counterpart.

Best of luck, and enjoy your rig.
    
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I would not get the 8800GTX's and opt for a pair of GTS 512MB's. They may be slightly slower (it would depend on the game), but you save well over $200 on the pair... And thats alot. The GTX's are outdated cards now.

I would recommend buying EVGA GTS's, so that you can upgrade to the new 260\\280GTX cards coming out.

Chozart has the CPU\\mobo choices nailed down perfectly.
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