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I think ATI is in a better position. Nvidia has their head up their ass thinking their cards are worth $600.
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Meh I dont care if these cards arnt "High End" it isnt going to stop me from buying one.
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Originally Posted by Kamakazi View Post
True, but I don't know if it is neccessarily helping them much in the consumer market for a few reasons:

1. Trickle down effect, someone thinking "Hey, Nvidia has the best GPU, so I bet their other ones are dang good"
2. The amount of money that can be made at the top end which is alot harder to do if you are playing the price/performance game, just ask the AMD CPU division.
3. In the long run, if you don't spend the money now you might fall farther behind in the next generation, and the next one, and so on.

But saving money on R&D now would help in the short term.

I don't care too much though, gonna go for a GTX 260 pretty much no matter what.
@ # 2, that is SO true. Their hardly cutting a profit on the majority of their CPU's.

And I'll be using the step-up program with my (when I get it) 8800GT from EVGA to get a new GTX 260. The 280 is simply way out of my price range. I'll be waiting till the very last week to use it too, because I don't want to pay too much.
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post #14 of 86
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I think ATI is in a better position. Nvidia has their head up their ass thinking their cards are worth $600.
It's not all that they believe the cards are worth that much. For one, the GT200 die is pretty big, which means that the yields are probably really low which is a significant factor in determing price. Another big factor is the fact that ATI has no plans to compete against them in the high-end market so they can afford to charge a premium.

It could all backfire on them if they intend on using the GT200 only on their high-end cards due to the (presumably) low yields, because they would probably resort to the simple rebranding of G92-based cards (which ATI should be pretty competitive with by now in the form of HD4800 series) for the rest of the performance levels. In this case, Nvidia would have the performance crown, but ATI would stand a good chance with every other level in the market.
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The thing is will people by 8800 Ultras or 8800GT?
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Don't act surprised. AMD said around 8 months ago that it isn't aiming for the high end market and instead going after the mid range//low end. Imo, thats a good plan, and with the x2 they are making, I am sure the drivers will get really good as they keep making new gen x2. Learn more efficient procedures and such.
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post #17 of 86
we kinda new the 4870 ain't "High end" when its only 1.25x performance of the 9800GTX.
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Does it matter if ATI cannot compete with the higher end GT200 chips? Yes. But does that mean all of the ATI video cards are now inferior and obsolete to Nvidia? Definitely not. What I care for is if the product can outperform current technology at a more affordable price. That is what everyone truly desires.
Edited by CrackClocker - 5/27/08 at 7:30pm
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post #19 of 86
But the 3870 in some cases, and MANY Xfire cases was beating G92, so... I don't get it.

Perhaps this is in line with ATI's policy that they do not make high end graphics cards?
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What are you guys all worked up about? This is EXACTLY where i predicted the 4870 would fall, this is how it has been since the start... its just below the 9800GX2, and the 4870x2 is right above it... i doubt that even if the GTX280 is faster than the 4870x2, that it will be by much...

Think about it. 9800GX2 = 256SP, GTX280 = 240SP, now subtract the SLI scaling from the 9800GX2, and you probably get the real world performance of about 210SP, and then minus the fact that the clockspeeds will be much slower on the GTX280 than on the 9800GX2, and you have two cards that are really just about the same.

4870 was never meant to be super high end, thats why its launching at or below the 350 mark... while the GTX goes for 600, and the 4870X2 for around 500.

These are 100% in-line with my expectations
Edited by HugeDink - 5/27/08 at 7:39pm
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