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Originally Posted by wolf_08 View Post
False. a 3870x2 is on pair with a 9800GX2.
Eh? No it isn't.

I think the biggest reason the HD3k series didn't do as well as it might have was its poor performance with AA/AF enabled. If they were able to keep up on that end, we might have seen a much more competitive six months rather than having the 9600GT and 8800GT dominating the scene. If these issues are ironed out on the HD4k series, then we might finally have a fight on our hands. Ah, the good old days where Nvidia and ATI cards went blow-for-blow in games.
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False. a 3870x2 is on pair with a 9800GX2.
No, its just below it.
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post #33 of 86
This matters little IMO. The thing that ATI has going for them is the fact that there products are IMO fairly priced...Nvidia Prices are just insane I find.
post #34 of 86
well.. this doesnt mean much.. maybe ATI are less confident now.

but it's going to be close that's for sure..
    
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What are you guys all worked up about? This is EXACTLY where i predicted the 4870 would fall, this is how it has been since the start... its just below the 9800GX2, and the 4870x2 is right above it... i doubt that even if the GTX280 is faster than the 4870x2, that it will be by much...

Think about it. 9800GX2 = 256SP, GTX280 = 240SP, now subtract the SLI scaling from the 9800GX2, and you probably get the real world performance of about 210SP, and then minus the fact that the clockspeeds will be much slower on the GTX280 than on the 9800GX2, and you have two cards that are really just about the same.

4870 was never meant to be super high end, thats why its launching at or below the 350 mark... while the GTX goes for 600, and the 4870X2 for around 500.

These are 100% in-line with my expectations
Funny ****, u obviously have no idea how chips work. It is NOT the ammount of sp that matter!

And it's always better to have 1 monster card (with 1 GPU) than 2 or more paired together to match the performance, since 1 card will work just fine in any given application, but when u have 2 or more cards compatibility and performance become an issue be it SLI or CrossFireX.
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it is just me or is AMD lacking in every department???
    
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No, its just below it.
Yeah, sometimes it is sometimes it isn't depends on the game.
post #38 of 86
How about how the top 3dmark score is using a 3870x2 does that show us what the cards can do.... I myself am quite happy with my 3870 was having lots of driver issues with the Nvidia cards and not to mention my 8800 GT overheated and went caput(without overclocking).
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it doesnt matter if they dont destroy the $600 cards if they dominate in the $200 - $300 range. word of mouth has a way of pushing these things along. and the truth is the vast majority of people arent buying $600 cards anyway. people on here have 9800GX2s but i would guess the vast majority of people are using 8800GT(S)/HD3850/70 because its in the right price point. if the HD3870 was faster than the 8800GT i'm sure the vast majority would choose it. so if the 4870 is faster than whatever card its supposed to be competing with it it will sell and sell well. which is what AMD is probably most interested in.

I think 4870 vs 9800GTX and 4850 vs 9800GT.
Edit could the new ati cards be faster then they are first stared becuase of the drivers. I rememebr back when X2 came out 8800GTX still did better but as drivers got mature performance increased a lot.
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point is no one knows anything til the cards are let loose upon the masses and we can see some real benchmarks.
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