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Funny ****, u obviously have no idea how chips work. It is NOT the ammount of sp that matter!

And it's always better to have 1 monster card (with 1 GPU) than 2 or more paired together to match the performance, since 1 card will work just fine in any given application, but when u have 2 or more cards compatibility and performance become an issue be it SLI or CrossFireX.
I never said anything like that. but way to be a complete dink about something as trivial as graphics cards...

Obviously SP count isn't the deciding factor when it comes to cards, especially since the 3870's 320sps are slower than nvidias 128. however, I was comparing two cards whose architecture is nearly identical, considering the GT200 is essentially just a G92 on way too many steroids. So my point still stands, and I personally don't think the GT200 will be much faster than the 9800GX2

And who says its always better to have 1 monster card? Compatibility and performance have NEVER been an issue for my 3870x2, which is saying a lot since it is ATI's very first attempt at making a dual-gpu card, and their second iteration looks like its going to be even better (shared memory, etc). Nvidia has had two tries now and they still cant get it right.

I bought my card for gaming, not for rendering CAD or doing video editing, so it works perfect for me, and It also performed much better than any of the competitors cards at the same price point.

And don't clump SLI with Crossfire, they may do the same things, but just because SLI has weird glitches and anomalies, it doesn't mean Crossfire does too.
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it is just me or is AMD lacking in every department???
lol

high end =/= every department

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Again, people, relax and wait for the benchies. Without them this is all pure crap speculation. The review sites gave the new Asus M3N-HT Deluxe mobo with the 780A chip for AMD insane reviews...before it came out. Those that reviewed it after realized that the board is a piece of junk, at least in its current revision.
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We'll see in mid June early July i guess how all the cards will stack up until then as dejanh said its all spec till then
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whens the nda lifted for the 4-series?
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I just looked at the graph again, and all I have to say is LMAO if they think the R700 is going to cost 600 dollars.

their prices on the RV7700XT and PRO are a bit high too
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I just looked at the graph again, and all I have to say is LMAO if they think the R700 is going to cost 600 dollars.

their prices on the RV7700XT and PRO are a bit high too
well it depends on how the perfomrance of the cards are...

XT is 1.25 faster than the 9800GTX
PRO is 1.25 faster than 8800GT

So it fits accordingly price wise. If the XT is 300 than r700 would cost 600+ cuz 2 gpus in 1.
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And it's always better to have 1 monster card (with 1 GPU) than 2 or more paired together to match the performance, since 1 card will work just fine in any given application, but when u have 2 or more cards compatibility and performance become an issue be it SLI or CrossFireX.
Not really, it is in performance, but do you want a Pentium 4 like chip that can also be used as a foot warmer, and has a fan that's bigger than your case and louder then a jet just to cool it?

And besides, You don't get a exact 100% improvement when you go dual core from Single core, or Dual to Quad, etc, its better because its more efficient, I bet you nVidia would be saying that if they could get it to work right, instead of just putting two cards really close to each other, over one PCIe slot.
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Lol @ the people buying the GTX 260

Now all I have to do it figure out what I'm going to do with the extra $150 I'm going to be saving by getting a 4870 while maintaining the same real world performance...

And who says AMD isn't spending money on R&D, lets compare what's happening this generation...

ATI:
-Implementing DX 10.1
-Making advances in power consumption
-Making use of new technologies (GDDR5, DisplayPort)
-Perfecting smaller manufacturing processes (55nm)
-Making noticeable advances in Crossfire, including using onboard to boost the discreet (nVidia is doing this too, but only after AMD announced it )

nVidia:
-Increasing size, cost, and heat for the sake of performance
-Using the same technology they've had since 2006
-Paying video game developers to optimize games for their cards
-Buying out smaller companies to try and make use of their technology


R&D isn't just about making things faster. I remember a quote from Civilization 4, when you research engineering:

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A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. - Antoine de Saint-Expury
All nVidia is doing is just adding more and more. Eventually everything will come crashing down, and when it does, the seemingly meaningless advances ATI is making now will put nVidia in a massive hole as they will have to start from square one researching things that ATI has already seamlessly integrated.
    
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I never said anything like that. but way to be a complete dink about something as trivial as graphics cards...

Obviously SP count isn't the deciding factor when it comes to cards, especially since the 3870's 320sps are slower than nvidias 128. however, I was comparing two cards whose architecture is nearly identical, considering the GT200 is essentially just a G92 on way too many steroids. So my point still stands, and I personally don't think the GT200 will be much faster than the 9800GX2

And who says its always better to have 1 monster card? Compatibility and performance have NEVER been an issue for my 3870x2, which is saying a lot since it is ATI's very first attempt at making a dual-gpu card, and their second iteration looks like its going to be even better (shared memory, etc). Nvidia has had two tries now and they still cant get it right.

I bought my card for gaming, not for rendering CAD or doing video editing, so it works perfect for me, and It also performed much better than any of the competitors cards at the same price point.

And don't clump SLI with Crossfire, they may do the same things, but just because SLI has weird glitches and anomalies, it doesn't mean Crossfire does too.
Well in 280 and 260 nVidia is using Improved Unified Shaders (2nd gen or whateber u wanna call it) and they claim that it performs better than 1st gen, so it's really not just beefed up (by adding more SP) version of G80/G92. Talking about ATI i haven't seen any info on architecture, so it might just be as u said "on way too many steroids".

As for 3870X2, lol, i remember lots of benchies illustrating crappy driver support resulting in CFX not working properly. As for 9800GX2, well u don't have one and never had, so don't make conclusion on how it works, quite a few ppl here have em and they are more than satisfied. Talking in general nVidia made an official statement before 9800GX2 release, that they don't like dual chip solution concept in general, but they made one and showed us all that thay can beat ATI any day. I hope u won't argue that 9800GX2 perform better than 3870X2 by more than noticeable margin.

Anyway it's not going anywhere. Those fanboy (of any brand) conclusions with no proofs and sometimes full of person's own stupidity (talking in general, not to offend any1) are just sick to read. People wanna live their dream where their favorite brand in on top and they are convincing themselves and everyone around that it will be the case. I'd say wait for new hardware to be released and then compare offerings.
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