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nTune is poorly coded and will cause stability issues. I adivse you ditch it right away


You can get around your dell being locked the following things

Get a new motherboard (to allow overclocking

Get a solid power supply (to avoid.....you know)

and probably a new case and CPU cooler to keep things cool

you can keep the 8800 GT, Q6600, HDD's and everything else (drives), just the motherboard is locked garbage, and PSU is probably minimal requirements


I suggest you just upgrade what you have, a Q6600 is fantastic, 8800 GT is the universal answer to gaming, but your RAM is slow

oh and when you do this, you will need to reinstall Vista with a different CD key because Dell checks the motherboard when installing so you cant use their copy on...someone else's computer

overall you dont need to rebuild, just take the major parts from what you have now and throw it next to some custom parts and you should be able to have 3.2-3.4 ghz and a really fast system!

just... make sure you do some reading before doing all of this, its alot more complicated than what I just said...
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I have overclocked quite a few Dell PCs in the past few months, so it is possible. The limiting factor is if your CPU can run at 333 FSB with default voltage. This is important to overclocking OEM PCs because the only way to really do it is with a BSEL mod. Here is the 266 conversion to 333 FSB mod I performed on my E6600 to test out the mod:

This mod will allow your CPU to run at 3.0GHz. I used copper tape used to repair circuit board traces.


By connecting those pins on the CPU, you can have it run at a 333 FSB. There is also a 200 to 266 FSB BSEL mod, which I have done on many E4X00 and E21X0 CPUs.
So, any suggestion for my OEM system? If I can, I really wanna OC my system.
    
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ericeod, could you explain this a bit more? Oh and it's definetely possible to OC some OEM PCs. Proof? Check my sig and I'll post a pic if you don't believe me. Using nTune has given me a perfectly stable overclock, however small of an overclock it may be.
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So, any suggestion for my OEM system? If I can, I really wanna OC my system.
I guess my suggestion is to try the BSEL mod. It is completely reversible and there are only 4 possible outcomes:

1. You do the mod and the CPU boots at 3.0GHz and passes Prime95..success!

2. You do the mod and the CPU boots at 3.0GHz but fails Prime95

3. You do the mod and you cant get the system to boot.

4. You do the mod and the CPU boots at 2.4GHz, so the mod doesnt work (or if you are using conductive ink, there is not enough).

All you can do is try.

Good Luck!

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ericeod, could you explain this a bit more? Oh and it's definetely possible to OC some OEM PCs. Proof? Check my sig and I'll post a pic if you don't believe me. Using nTune has given me a perfectly stable overclock, however small of an overclock it may be.
By connecting the pins, you change the BSEL (read by the motherboard) from low to high, which signals that the CPU is a 333 FSB. Assuming the Dell motherboard supports 333 FSB CPUs, which It most likely does, this is an easy mod.

Here is some more info on the BSEL Mod:
xtreview.com

Xtremesystems.org



There are other applications for this mod, such as increasing the default voltage to the CPU etc. I learned about these mods when the pentium M chip was first released. But the mod was done with a copper wire looped between to of the CPU pins.

Here is a BSEL vcore mod to 1.4v (I just never needed to do one):
xtreview.com


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2.) Yes, it is impossible to overclock a CPU via a pre-built machine. You should have built your own computer to have "access" to overclocking, as well as save money.
Not impossible. You can overclock some pre-built machines (like Dell) through software like Clockgen. However, I wouldn't recommend it, as there are often stability issues. Overclocking the CPU is best done using the motherboard's BIOS - the problem is, OCing through the BIOS is not usually an option on pre-built machines (like Dell).

EDIT: As ericeod has shown, BSEL mods are an option as well.

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First off, welcome to the forums.
Second off, 3.2ghz is pretty much the most a Q6600 can go while still being stable. I've seen 3.4ghz and a little higher, but those people were on water cooling.
Absolutely not true. Given the proper motherboard, a Q6600 can overclock stably and within tolerable voltages to 3.6GHz or more using proper air cooling (for instance, a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Tuniq Tower, or OCZ Vendetta II). Watercooling is not required. I know this to be true, as I've done it myself. There are plenty of other OCN members who have reached higher than 3.2 or 3.4 GHz stable on air cooling.

My advice on your situation:

I wouldn't recommend overclocking your CPU on your current hardware. Software OC'ing tends to be touchy and unstable. And stock cooling can limit you in regards to acceptable temperatures (depending on how high your OC and V-core is, of course). If you really want to OC, I'd suggest purchasing a new motherboard (and quite possibly a new case to accommodate it) and a good aftermarket cooler (like the ones mentioned above).
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nTune is poorly coded and will cause stability issues. I adivse you ditch it right away


You can get around your dell being locked the following things

Get a new motherboard (to allow overclocking

Get a solid power supply (to avoid.....you know)

and probably a new case and CPU cooler to keep things cool

you can keep the 8800 GT, Q6600, HDD's and everything else (drives), just the motherboard is locked garbage, and PSU is probably minimal requirements


I suggest you just upgrade what you have, a Q6600 is fantastic, 8800 GT is the universal answer to gaming, but your RAM is slow

oh and when you do this, you will need to reinstall Vista with a different CD key because Dell checks the motherboard when installing so you cant use their copy on...someone else's computer

overall you dont need to rebuild, just take the major parts from what you have now and throw it next to some custom parts and you should be able to have 3.2-3.4 ghz and a really fast system!

just... make sure you do some reading before doing all of this, its alot more complicated than what I just said...
Ok, that's is one option. I can just build a new system with similiar but OCable spec. What would be the price for the new one?
Another one is that I can return this comp and build one now. I'm not sure if there will be any charges.
Please tell me an estimated price if I build a new comp with Q6600 processor that is able to OC comfortably around 3.4GHz. Also I think I'll still stick with nVidia 8800 GT because from reading the forums, this graphic card OC with good outcome.
I want to spend around $1100-1500.
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Well, I got to say a few things:

1.) I'm surprised your comp can run at all if that's how much power you have in that PSU!

2.) Yes, it is impossible to overclock a CPU via a pre-built machine. You should have built your own computer to have "access" to overclocking, as well as save money.

So yeah, since you cannot overclock in the first place...
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Ok, that's is one option. I can just build a new system with similiar but OCable spec. What would be the price for the new one?
Another one is that I can return this comp and build one now. I'm not sure if there will be any charges.
If returning your computer and building your own is a viable option for you - you may just want to do that. Building your own rig can actually save you money in some situations, and gives you the chance to customize everything to your exact needs. Overclocking will then be an option, as well. Plus, building and customizing your own rig is a fun experience!
    
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If you can return it with no charges, I would do that.

Another option is to buy everything for a new system, but buy a dual core CPU to use in your current Dell and then use the Quad in your new build.

As FreeRoller said above, if you buy just a new motherboard you will also have to buy a new copy of Vista, since you have used your OEM copy with the Dell motherboard. OEM is a one time use only deal.
You will probably need a new case also, since many Dell's use a different MoBo mounting hole placement (BAtx?), a new PSU to help with stability with overclocking, and a new HSF to keep the CPU cool.

Some Dell XPS systems can be BIOS overclocked though.
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By connecting the pins, you change the BSEL (read by the motherboard) from low to high, which signals that the CPU is a 333 FSB. Assuming the Dell motherboard supports 333 FSB CPUs, which It most likely does, this is an easy mod.

Here is some more info on the BSEL Mod:
xtreview.com

Xtremesystems.org



There are other applications for this mod, such as increasing the default voltage to the CPU etc. I learned about these mods when the pentium M chip was first released. But the mod was done with a copper wire looped between to of the CPU pins.

Here is a BSEL vcore mod to 1.4v (I just never needed to do one):
xtreview.com

Well as of now my FSB wall seems to be 317. Also are there different mods for different speeds, like say 400 FSB?
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Please tell me an estimated price if I build a new comp with Q6600 processor that is able to OC comfortably around 3.4GHz. Also I think I'll still stick with nVidia 8800 GT because from reading the forums, this graphic card OC with good outcome.
I want to spend around $1100-1500.

I am kind of nervous right now about building my own PC
    
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