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post #71 of 97
I'm by no means a fan of the EU (I will move out the day the declare the United States of Europe, which will happen one of these days), but keeping competition up is very important.
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post #72 of 97
Awesome. Never did like Intel's company practices
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post #73 of 97
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WOAH WOAH WOAH people!!!!!!!

WTH are you all talking about?!

100% of the people posting in this thread so far have thier heads up thier arses and here's why....

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMD!

Intel is being censured by the EU, for brteaking EU trade laws, this has less than ZERO, NOTHING, NADA to do with AMD's lawsuit in the states or anywhere else. This IS NOT A LAWSUIT issue, this is the EU penalizing intel for BREAKING THE LAW!!!! Everyone is all about the law when pirates are stealing things but when intel breaks the law there is a huge debate about whether or not they did anything wrong?! Agree or disagree, the EU has laws set up to attempt to ensure some sort of fairness of buisness practices and it is clear that the EU has sufficient evidence to prove that intel has broken these laws, who the hell are you people to say that you know better how to enforce EU laws than the EU themselves?!
I missed where the EU has MORE than one case against Intel. The only case I can think of is the anti-trust case that's currently going through the EU courts right now which happens to be dealing with EXACTLY the same stuff that this article is talking about.

So where did you get that this article is talking about another case?
    
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post #74 of 97
It's intels fault. They pay OEM's to exclusively go intel only. They deserve the book thrown at them, what they are doing is damn illegal. And don't talk to me about better product, because in performance to price AMD is winning a whole lot of things. But intel are simply throwing money at OEM's forcing them to shut out AMD.
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post #75 of 97
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I missed where the EU has MORE than one case against Intel. The only case I can think of is the anti-trust case that's currently going through the EU courts right now which happens to be dealing with EXACTLY the same stuff that this article is talking about.

So where did you get that this article is talking about another case?
People were confusing the EU anti-trust case (which is basically EU vs. Intel over anti-trust laws) with the US case where AMD is actually sueing Intel for dammages over it's practices.
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post #76 of 97
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The discounts is extremely common, IBM, Dell, they all do it, that is why if you ask a college how many computers and of what type, they won't tell you.

The issue was mostly that AMD had no ability to deliver what the OEM's needed, and a few other issues related to AMD's size. Everyone knew that, AMD just saw an opportunity, and a weak court system.
No, when IBM or Dell do it, they don't go "If you only buy our stuff, we'll give you a rebate of $xxx!", Intel did that, when AMD had the superior product, and that is illegal.
    
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post #77 of 97
Why doesn't the OEM also get punished? IMO they are just as guilty. They knew what Intel was doing was illegal.
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post #78 of 97
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Why doesn't the OEM also get punished? IMO they are just as guilty. They knew what Intel was doing was illegal.
Probably it was the OEM that blew the whistle or something.

Here in the UK Virgin and a few other airlines were fixing prices, Virgin blew the whistle, and got off free despite having done the exact same thing.

Speculation, by the way.

This'd never happen in the US, mainly because no politician is going to sue the bigass company who is paying for their campaign.
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post #79 of 97
No big deal.

Intel will pay the fine (a complete random guess would be $1 billion... and heck, even if it's $2 billion, still no biggy), take a slight drop in profit, and carry on with business as usual. There is no way they're going to refuse to pay and give up a market as big and profitable as the E.U.

But before they pay, they'll appeal and drag as long they can. Don't you think companies like Intel and MS have special reserves for these kinds of fines? They EXPECT this to happen at some point.
    
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No big deal.

Intel will pay the fine (a complete random guess would be $1 billion... and heck, even if it's $2 billion, still no biggy), take a slight drop in profit, and carry on with business as usual. There is no way they're going to refuse to pay and give up a market as big and profitable as the E.U.

But before they pay, they'll appeal and drag as long they can. Don't you think companies like Intel and MS have special reserves for these kinds of fines? They EXPECT this to happen at some point.
You just said $1-2 Billion would not be that big of a deal...wow

2 Billion dollars is definitely going to hurt the bottom line. Combined with the fallout from the change in consumer attitude, Intel will definitely be affected by this decision. ALSO, their highly anticipated new notebook CPU is being delayed right in time for back-to-school shipments.

Fanboy's need to recognize that 2008 will probably not be the stellar year Intel should have had. Intel is a publicly traded company. The only thing that matters is shareholder value. People that have no idea about the technicalities of the ongoing battle between Intel, AMD and now Nvidia see that Intel has just cheated their way to where they are now.

I always thought it was weird that Dell did not sell ANY AMD CPU's. Now at least we have some clarification on the issue.
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