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So confused... Help a Vulcan understand some things...

All I know for sure is that I'm going for a Q9450, and now I'm trying to find the right board.

The most important limiting factor is I'm currently on an AMD rig, I have no Intel chip of any kind in the house; and I keep reading customer reviews on so many boards saying that they had to flash the BIOS to get a board working with the Q9450 (and in many cases the Q6600). I cannot do that...you have to boot to flash, and I have no cpu available to boot with. So I need a board that can boot a Q9450 out of the box. Am I correct that X38/X48's and 750i's can do that, that they all boot Yorkfields without having to flash the BIOS first? And it looks like most of the P35s need a flash?

I don't really need SLI, I'm probably not willing to throw down that much cash for multiple high-end video cards. If I can avoid it, I'd therefore rather not pay for an SLI-enabled board...all 750is look to be SLI, am I right? But hey, if a 750i solves my boot problem, I suppose I'll just eat the cost of the SLI. (Did they get that video artifacting issue corrected, by the way?)

I'm going to want 1394 (I'm building this for HD video editing more than anything), and some manufacturers don't even seem to acknowledge it as a standard feature of a modern PC (I'm looking at you, DFI!) No biggie I suppose, I can add in a card if necessary; but that seems pretty wasteful for something that should be standard in this day and age.

Any answers to the "can boot without flashing" question, and/or board recommendations, are greatly appreciated.
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When I built my friends comp, he had an Asus® P5E X38 Chipset and a Q9300 Proc, the comp did boot and i managed to installed windows, however it did say to flash the bios to take full advantage of the CPU.
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Board in my specs
Installed my 9450 without a hitch yesterday, working on the OC now.
Stable so far at 438*8.

Any specific reason you're going with a 9450?
IMO the Q6600 is better, not so finicky when it comes to oc'ing.
3.6 on the Q6600 is like a walk in the park, while 3.5 on my 9450 gave me fits.
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Any specific reason you're going with a 9450?
IMO the Q6600 is better, not so finicky when it comes to oc'ing.
I'm not going to an extreme overclock or anything, I just want something on the higher end that isn't stupid expensive (i.e. QX anything) that, with a decent overclock, will keep me happy for the next 3-5 years. And the new SSE instructions in the 9450 should actually be used by editing software within that time frame, so it's got a minor leg up on the Q6600 in that regard.

I did spend about a month debating the pros and cons of the 9450 vs. the 6600, and I think the 9450 is the right one for me.

Edit: I was looking at your board on NewEgg shortly before I posted my question, actually. Looked pretty good, even more so now that I know for sure it boots the 9450 out-of-box. Thanks.
Edited by VulcanDragon - 5/28/08 at 4:18pm
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Intel DX38BT - installed without a hitch. Boots fine with no flash. Intel has a little download that will flash it for you to the latest BIOS but the board will boot easily with no modification. Plus, has allowed an easy 3.9GHz OC. Now going past that, I've tried and booted ONCE at 4.16GHz but it crashed about 5 seconds after loading Realtemp to check, well, the temps. No further attempts after that(1.425vCore).


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...I69-2162%20OCZ
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
I'm not going to an extreme overclock or anything, I just want something on the higher end that isn't stupid expensive (i.e. QX anything) that, with a decent overclock, will keep me happy for the next 3-5 years. And the new SSE instructions in the 9450 should actually be used by editing software within that time frame, so it's got a minor leg up on the Q6600 in that regard.

I did spend about a month debating the pros and cons of the 9450 vs. the 6600, and I think the 9450 is the right one for me.

Edit: I was looking at your board on NewEgg shortly before I posted my question, actually. Looked pretty good, even more so now that I know for sure it boots the 9450 out-of-box. Thanks.
Dfi's LT X48-T2R is a great board, but from what I've seen can only get 45nm quads to about ~425FSB easily and 450-470FSB with a great amount tweaking... If you really prefer a 45nm quad it might be best to wait for the Q3 price cut which should send X3360/Q9550 prices down to $316. That extra .5 multi would put you at 3.6ghz with 425FSB vice 3.4ghz with the Q9450. And should you prove the exceptional tweaker you might be able to hit 4.0ghz.

A few DFI LT X48-T2R resources :

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/revie...ng-review.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=Q9450

Oh and I believe I saw pauldovi selling his Dfi X48-T2R *side note* Dfi offers a 3yr warranty. Yup here it is -> http://www.overclock.net/sale/337554...t-x48-t2r.html
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Originally Posted by MasterKromm View Post
If you really prefer a 45nm quad it might be best to wait for the Q3 price cut which should send X3360/Q9550 prices down to $316.
But that's so far away...

You really think the 9550 will drop down to $316? Nobody even has them right now...and the sites that (are lying and) say they have them are trying to gouge us for $550+ for them. That would be one heckuva price drop!

I'm getting the sense that people think higher of the Intel chipsets over the nVidia chipsets?
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But that's so far away...

You really think the 9550 will drop down to $316? Nobody even has them right now...and the sites that (are lying and) say they have them are trying to gouge us for $550+ for them. That would be one heckuva price drop!

I'm getting the sense that people think higher of the Intel chipsets over the nVidia chipsets?
That price drop is a ways off and I'm sure they will price gouge considerably until availability picks up.

Nvidia chipsets are to be avoided like the plague... (Unless SLI capability is an absolute must)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183119

Quote:
There seem to be several issues with the 790 chipset:
1. windows/hdd corruption/ system instability
2. FSB holes
3. HDD corruption/destruction
4. real voltages are notably lower than what is set in bios (mostly applies to nvidia reference boards)
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Nvidia chipsets are to be avoided like the plague... (Unless SLI capability is an absolute must)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183119
Wow...I had no idea. SLI is definitely not a must...I was starting to think I might not dislike having it there, because even if I don't intend to use it today it might have been nice to drop in another card next year when they are half as much. But I really don't want to mess with stability issues, looks like the Intel route is the safer one for me. (I guess I could go Crossfire, but I've been an nVidia card user for so long it's not funny; and the current nVidia cards outperform the ATI cards by a good margin, or so I've read.)
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Wow...I had no idea. SLI is definitely not a must...I was starting to think I might not dislike having it there, because even if I don't intend to use it today it might have been nice to drop in another card next year when they are half as much. But I really don't want to mess with stability issues, looks like the Intel route is the safer one for me. (I guess I could go Crossfire, but I've been an nVidia card user for so long it's not funny; and the current nVidia cards outperform the ATI cards by a good margin, or so I've read.)
Just a little update, (you can call me lazy I posted the following paragraph in another thread yesterday) since I've been looking into the Q9450 and it's lackluster(perceived) OCability":

From what I've read, the 790i is actually a better OCer for 45nm quads... I know you can't always just borrow someone else's settings but if these have worked for at least two people over @ XS. Beyond 450FSB still requires obscene levels of V(across the board). So as long as you're really only after ~3.6ghz the Q9450 is a good buy. Personally I'd wait for the 9650 later summer, at least you'll have a shot at 4.0ghz with the 9x multi(though that extra multi does carry a premium).

Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Sure, the best setting for this board and the Q9450 is at 450fsb, so go ahead and set the following settings and voltages.

FSB = 1800 (450x8)
Memory = 1800 sync mode timings (8-7-7-24 2t)

voltages
cpu - 1.375
fsb = 1.35
memory = 2.00v
spp (NB) - 1.45
mcp (sp) - 1.550

also disable all the extra cpu settings like speedstep and c1e erc....

disable all of the spread spectrums as well and you should have a rock solid 3.6ghz cpu...
Unfortunately despite all the bios updates there are still some users who suffer from corruption issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary @ anandtech 6/12/08
However, we are still seeing reports on other forums with users having problems with the updated BIOS code. If you are one of the unlucky souls with this continuing problem then we would like for you to email us ( gary dot key at anandtech dot com ) with your configuration and settings. We will try to replicate your problem, but more importantly we will continue to work with NVIDIA to solve any remaining issues with this chipset in regards to data corruption.
Considering the above and ATI's upcoming GPUs I think waiting just a little longer will allow a larger image of performance and subsequent options to unfurl... Things to keep an eye out for:

-Intel's recently released P45 and how it OCs 45nm quads. Will 450FSB be achievable with relatively low voltages? If you wish to run raid I believe some of the(p45s) will actually offer integrated hardware RAID(IE not done on the ICH10R). For all of what they offer they are seemingly priced to take the performance market by storm, however I'd reserve final judgment until more results are known and Dfi, Abit, ect enter the fora.

-ATI's upcoming GPUs, will they offer amazing performance(/dollar)? If so, will CF tech work well on the P45 which offers x8 x8 PCI-E 2.0 config.

I think timing your upgrade/new build within ATI's GPU release(4870 GDDR5 for $329 July) and Intel's Q3 price cuts might be the best approach in terms of performance and out of pocket cost... I mean if I bought a Q9550 now for $500+ only to see it drop to $300+ in a single months time frame I'd be a little and . Since historically Intel Q3 price cuts have been around late July it's worth the small wait(IMHO).

-Slightly OT-

I'm following everything mentioned above closely since I'm considering giving my current computer to my younger brother as a gift(recently went to college)... Obviously I can't give him my computer and not have a newer, shinier better performing one on standby.
Edited by MasterKromm - 6/16/08 at 7:00am
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