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Just use a rad-box...You can make shrouds out of gutted 120x38mm fans, thats what I use anymore to...They work as well as the ones i used to make out of aluminum channel anyway...Look around surplus sales sites to find cheap ones...They are heavy, so the shp is high on them, I never pay over 2 or 3 bux for one because of that...

120x25mm fan will give you a .98" deep shroud...I've seen a few guys just use 2 of those stacked as a shroud, you can find 120x25mm fans really cheap sometimes..I've always hear that 1.5" is the optimum depth for a shroud, but I've never seen any real testing showing that it is....
So a shroud is just a contraption that secures your rad to the back of your case?
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So a shroud is just a contraption that secures your rad to the back of your case?
I'm getting you confused, sorry...No a shroud is a spacer for your fans...A fans air-flow looks kind of like a do-nut with a hole in the middle of the air flow, it has dead spot in the middle...A shroud just sets the fans a 1.5" or so off the rad to help close the hole in the middle...It makes you rad more efficient since the air is pulling over more of the rad...That helps to lower you temp's a little...

A rad-box is what you hang your rad to the back of your case with....Radbox
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I'm getting you confused, sorry...No a shroud is a spacer for your fans...A fans air-flow looks kind of like a do-nut with a hole in the middle of the air flow, it has dead spot in the middle...A shroud just sets the fans a 1.5" or so off the rad to help close the hole in the middle...It makes you rad more efficient since the air is pulling over more of the rad...That helps to lower you temp's a little...

A rad-box is what you hang your rad to the back of your case with....Radbox
So a shroud and radbox are recommended, then?
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post #14 of 23
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So a shroud and radbox are recommended, then?
Yeah I would just go ahead and use shrouds on it from the git-go, its the cheapest few C you can get...It sounds a lot more complicated then it really is...

Heres some more stuff you might like to read, be sure to look over all the stickies here also, there is a lot of good info in them...Take your time and look over all your options and you will be more able to decide what is right for you...Are you looking for max performance or just quiet computing, or a balance of the two? That will have a lot of bearing on deciding what parts you prefer..I always go for max performance, looks are way down on my list, I like to get the very finest performing gear I can get though, if it looks good its just a perk...

..Water Cooling - In English

..Assembling your Custom Watercooling Setup

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Well, I am of course going for performance. I would like to have a nice chilly CPU and GPU so my overclocks don't kill the hardware during the warm summer season. I also want quiet. I'm sure anything I get would be more quiet than the 6 fans I've got going now.'

I also wanted to ask what shroud do you think I should go for? I was going to buy pretty much everything you suggested on the first page. The CPU block would be the D-tek instead of the Stinger just for money savings sake.
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post #16 of 23
That list above will pretty well cover you then..

If you use quiet fans I would go with a PA.3 Rad for -47cfm fans or for 47+ cfm the GTX....

If your just running the one card I'd stick it in the same loop with the CPU...If your going to do a 2 way you might want 2 loops, and if you are going to use 3 GPU's I'd do 2 separate loops for it...


I don't know if you would need ram sinks with the ATI cards or not, I don't keep up with them ...
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post #17 of 23
so you say two loops would be a good option, one single loop for the cpu and one for the gpu's

would a single 120mm be enough for the gpu's?
would a single 120mm be enough for a cpu and a chipset
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post #18 of 23
I would go with 2 loops if your running 2 or more GPU blocks. Better to keep the CPU in its own loop.
I' running a BIX 240 rad in my CPU loop and a BIX 360 rad in my GPU loop (2 GPU blocks). I went with mounting my rads outside the case due to space and didn't want the warm case air affecting my temps or my rads dumping heat into my case. The ambeint room air is much cooler outside the case than inside.

Here is a couple of pic's of how I mounted my rads. I need to take new pic's of my setup since these were taken I removed the res. and added T-lines. On the rads I have 5-141 CFM delta fans mounted on 120mmx38mm fan housing that are acting as shrouds in a pull setup.




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post #19 of 23
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so you say two loops would be a good option, one single loop for the cpu and one for the gpu's

would a single 120mm be enough for the gpu's?
would a single 120mm be enough for a cpu and a chipset
How much wattage does your CPU and GPU put out? If its not to high I would stick them in one loop with a good 360 rad...If you have a hot CPU and a couple of hot GPU's I would do 2 loops if you are looking for max performance...Just depends on what you are looking for....

A 120 GTX should be good for at least a 150-170W with a decent cfm fan.86cfm Pana...115 Pana-S/W....A shroud will help on them also..The thing of it is i like to use bigger rads then I need to level out temp's a little, so they wont spike as fast or take as long to cool back down..It gives you a little more wiggle room..The closer you can keep your rad out water temp Delta to room ambients the better...

If you don't like loud fans its even more important to over rad, the more surface area you have the better it will cool with low cfm fans...

A 120mm BIX is probably good for a 150W with the same fans...Give or take a little...

A Thermochill PA rad is still the best for -47cfm fans, but even they need higher cfm fans to cool to their full potential....

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Thinking about adding that 3rd 3870 video card, a 3rd rad., and a 3rd pump.
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