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I currently have use an old Dell Dimension 4600 as my Desktop, it has been upgraded with 2GB RAM and a Geforce 6200 AGP which brought it up to a decent speed. However, the 6200 is not only an old card but it was also low-end even when it was first brought out.

My understanding is that the last AGP card was the 7800 GS but was told over the phone that the best I could use was the 6200. My question is: Is there a reason for this? Or, more accurately, what is the reason for this and is it something I could fix?

Potential things that come to mind are power supply and cooling but I need a more technical approach than guesswork before I start ripping components out. I am aware that this in an old machine which should really be replaced but I am waiting on getting a new laptop so I can't really buy a new desktop at the same time.
    
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Who did you speak to that advised you to use a 6200? They are terrible cards.

With your machine, a 7800GS AGP or maybe an ATI Radeon X1950 AGP will be most suitable. I don't think it will be bottlenecked by your CPU.

Is there any way that you can find out what your Power Supply wattage is?
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I personally had a 7800gs in a bone stock dell 4600.
Worked fine.
I would suspect that whoever said it wouldnt work was thinking the power supply wasnt up to snuff.
The dell power supplies are underrated and it handled the card just fine.
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The specs from Dell state the PSU to be 160W or 250W depending on the revision of your 4600 so this is really going to limit things a bit either way.
Also the Dimension 4600 were well know for having PSU problems under heavy load.
You should get away with more than a nvidia 6200 though, they are awfull cards.
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I currently have use an old Dell Dimension 4600 as my Desktop, it has been upgraded with 2GB RAM and a Geforce 6200 AGP which brought it up to a decent speed. However, the 6200 is not only an old card but it was also low-end even when it was first brought out.

My understanding is that the last AGP card was the 7800 GS but was told over the phone that the best I could use was the 6200. My question is: Is there a reason for this? Or, more accurately, what is the reason for this and is it something I could fix?

Potential things that come to mind are power supply and cooling but I need a more technical approach than guesswork before I start ripping components out. I am aware that this in an old machine which should really be replaced but I am waiting on getting a new laptop so I can't really buy a new desktop at the same time.
You should be fine . That really isn't too old anyway, my dad's only PC has a similar spec to that and its pretty fast still. I think you should be fine with the PSU too the 7800GS shouldn't draw too much. As others have suggested you could try to find an x1950 agp card, but then you would definaely need a better PSU.
Edited by coffeejunky - 5/30/08 at 4:08am
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Who did you speak to that advised you to use a 6200? They are terrible cards.

With your machine, a 7800GS AGP or maybe an ATI Radeon X1950 AGP will be most suitable. I don't think it will be bottlenecked by your CPU.

Is there any way that you can find out what your Power Supply wattage is?
I called up Dell and they referred me to some other company regarding the parts. They said they would have loved to sell me a high-end card but it would not run on my machine.

It sounded odd but I bowed down to what I thought was "expert" advice.

A quick google informs me of this:
Voltage Required: AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Power Provided: 250 Watt

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I personally had a 7800gs in a bone stock dell 4600.
Worked fine.
I would suspect that whoever said it wouldnt work was thinking the power supply wasnt up to snuff.
The dell power supplies are underrated and it handled the card just fine.
Great, thanks, thats good to know and it's reassuring if other people have actually had it work.

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The specs from Dell state the PSU to be 160W or 250W depending on the revision of your 4600 so this is really going to limit things a bit either way.
Also the Dimension 4600 were well know for having PSU problems under heavy load.
You should get away with more than a nvidia 6200 though, they are awfull cards.
I have heard about the PSU problems but I would think they would have shown up by now considering how old the machine is.

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You should be fine . That really isn't too old anyway, my dad's only has a similar spec to that and its pretty fast still. I think you should be fine with the PSU too the 7800GS shouldn't draw too much. As others have suggested you could try to find an x1950 agp card, but then you would definaely need a better PSU.
It runs fairly well, outpaces my laptop by a good amount, but the card is a letdown that bottlenecks gaming performance.
I would like to avoid upgrading the PSU, if possible, as this machine doesn't have too much further to go along the road and I would be expecting to replace it in the not-too-distant future.
Edited by The General - 5/30/08 at 4:11am
    
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I think ATI still make the x2600's in AGP and the X1650. Niether are top end cards but they would both be a damn sight better then your 6200. They are not alot of money if you shop around. They dont draw that much power either.
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I've checked up and the 7800 seems to require about 350W, which is technically more than my PSU can handle. I wasn't originally planning to do this but would it be a bad idea if I replaced the current PSU and also went for a 7950 AGP? A quick google tells me that I can get a 500W Dimension 4600 power supply but I'm worried about heat generated from high end cards?

The x2600 and x1650 are also options, though it goes against my instinct/gut-feel to buy intermediate cards when upgrading. I'm also unfamiliar with Ati cards so I would have no idea what I was buying.
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I've checked up and the 7800 seems to require about 350W, which is more than my PSU can handle. I wasn't originally planning to do this but would it be a bad idea if I replaced the current PSU and also went for a 7950 AGP? A quick google tells me that I can get a 500W Dimension 4600 power supply but I'm worried about heat generated from high end cards?

The x2600 and x1650 are also options, though it goes against my instinct/gut-feel to buy intermediate cards when upgrading. I'm also unfamiliar with Ati cards so I would have no idea what I was buying.
You would probably be cutting it fairly close with that PSU. The 7800GS would probably be okay, but it would be a risk. If you do upgrade your PSU, you may as well go for the best AGP card you can buy, which I think would be a hd380 agp or x1650/x1950. They are quite tricky to find though. How much is this PSU going to set you back? Also does your dell have a normal ATX PSU?
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You would probably be cutting it fairly close with that PSU. The 7800GS would probably be okay, but it would be a risk. If you do upgrade your PSU, you may as well go for the best AGP card you can buy, which I think would be a hd380 agp or x1650/x1950. They are quite tricky to find though. How much is this PSU going to set you back? Also does your dell have a normal ATX PSU?
Would I damage anything by trying it?
So far, I've seen the 7950 GT. Is the HD380 a better card?
PSU looks like it will be about £50, which is a bargain if it gets me a machine supporting a decent card. I believe it is a normal PSU but I have heard that Dell use non-standard connectors.
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