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Hi All.

This is my first post here, and though I have lots of theoritical and some practical knowledge on OverClocking, I never ever got the opportunity to overclock. But now, I am trying to build a good budget PC whose primary power comes from Overclocking. So I need some help.

I am at a loss trying to decide between the following configurations:

Intel:
Biostar GF7050V-M7 motherboard(nVidia 610i chipset)
Intel Pentium Dual Core E2160
Transcend Value RAM 1GB 800MHz single stick


AMD:
Jetway M2A692-GDG Motherboard(AMD 690G chipset)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+
Transcend Value RAM 512mb 800MHz two sticks in dual channel


Now, I need this rig to be extremely cheap, and I am seriously budget concious. But still, I need as much performance as possible and intend to use this as a mainstream PC.

I currently have an Intel D915GLVG mobo with no AGP/PCIe slots, only onboard graphics and a P4 (Northwood ?) 2.66GHz processor with 1MB L2 Cache and 256mb DDR 400 ram all of which is really really slow for my liking.

I also have an old 80GB Samsung 7200RPM HDD, which I intend to keep.

My main needs from this system are as follows:
  1. overclock well
  2. run contemporary games using onboard graphics
  3. work perfectly well with Linux
  4. have no issues in graphics department.
  5. GPU must have Linux drivers which are good.
  6. be able to comfortably run windows XP on a virtual machine in Virtual Box.
  7. have an overall moderately high level of performance.

Now, I need to know which of the two should I select. I am inclining towards AMD because of Dual Channel support, Better onboards and built in Virtualisation support. But the Intel overclocks more. And Linux driver issue is another problem, because I heard that 690G used to give linux some trouble. I want to know if its issues have been fixed and weather better drivers are available today.

1. What would be the maximum performance from each CPU ?

2. To what extent can E2160 OC on Biostar 610i, and to what extent can 4000+ OC on Jetway 690G ?

3. Whats the current performance difference between a Pentium Dual Core and a Athlon 64 X2 at the same clockspeed ? Which among the two configurations can give me a better overclock ?

4. Which GPU is better at stock ?

5. How much can each of the two onboard GPUs be overclocked ? Whose end result will be better ?

6. Can either of the GPUs comfortably run games like Half Life 2, Max Payne 2, UT 2004, Counter-Strike: Source, Fear, Doom3, Serious Sam 2, Call Of Duty 4, etc at 1024x768 medium settings ?

7. What would be the crippling factor in each configuration ?

8. Intel rig is surprisingly slightly cheaper than AMD. The difference can buy me a 512mb ram stick, or allow me to go for a 2GB ram stick. If I do it, can Intel 2GB without dual channel pwn AMD 1GB with dual channel ?
Edited by MetalheadGautham - 6/1/08 at 10:06am
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well the E2160 can overclock to 2.6GHz for sure, possibly more (with better motherboard/cooling) and you would need the 4000+ at 3GHz to match that, which I doubt you can get.

however, 2GB ram > 1GB ram. I would get the intel build with another 1GB stick, or the AMD build if you can't shell out the extra $20
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no way you would get comfortable graphics for ur games with onboard unless ur standards are below 35 fps average.

cod4 is a tough one oO... i suggest buyin a 8800gs or 9600gso which are same cards just renamed.

or a 7600gs if ur on a very tight budget.

you will need a graphics card because linux doesnt perform as well as windows on direct X
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2, the intel system will smoke the amd

3, at stock these 2 will be very similar however the 690g will not overclock well if at all

4, the 690g is technically better equiped however the difference will not really be noticable.

5, very few onboard GPUs can be overclocked, I can tell you these 2 cannot at all

6, that will be a big fat hairy no!
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well the E2160 can overclock to 2.6GHz for sure, possibly more (with better motherboard/cooling) and you would need the 4000+ at 3GHz to match that, which I doubt you can get.

however, 2GB ram > 1GB ram. I would get the intel build with another 1GB stick, or the AMD build if you can't shell out the extra $20
well, I am using 1GB ram in both cases. But AMD gets Dual Channel(512x2) and intel gets a single stick.

I am sticking to these configurations without any change, as I find them the best budget configurations in their catogary. I intend to live with one of them till Nehalem becomes mainstream and DDR3 becomes comparable to DDR2 in cost.

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2, the intel system will smoke the amd

3, at stock these 2 will be very similar however the 690g will not overclock well if at all

4, the 690g is technically better equiped however the difference will not really be noticable.

5, very few onboard GPUs can be overclocked, I can tell you these 2 cannot at all

6, that will be a big fat hairy no!
1. intel smokes AMD anyday... but what about the differnece ? Is the lack of Virtualisation worth it to go with Intel ?

2. GeForce 7050 = Radeon 1250 ?

3. I know this thing cant game, but can it atleast run Compiz Fusion properly ? What about UT2K4 on Ubuntu Hardy ? I know that GMA 900 runs it well.
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well the E2160 can overclock to 2.6GHz for sure, possibly more (with better motherboard/cooling) and you would need the 4000+ at 3GHz to match that, which I doubt you can get.

however, 2GB ram > 1GB ram. I would get the intel build with another 1GB stick, or the AMD build if you can't shell out the extra $20
he wont need that much ram because he will run linux. unless he dual boots, then i suggest 2 gigs also
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Intel will be a quicker system at stock, and once overclocked. With the price of RAM these days, it simply doesn't pay to go less than 2 gigs however. As far as graphics with linux support, 8600GT's can be had for <80 and Nvidia gives excellent kernel support.

Are you planning on running games on XP through the VM or under WINE?
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he wont need that much ram because he will run linux. unless he dual boots, then i suggest 2 gigs also
1 gig is not exactly what I am going to buy. 1gig now, and will decide 2gig later.
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Intel will be a quicker system at stock, and once overclocked. With the price of RAM these days, it simply doesn't pay to go less than 2 gigs however. As far as graphics with linux support, 8600GT's can be had for <80 and Nvidia gives excellent kernel support.

Are you planning on running games on XP through the VM or under WINE?
I am going to dual b00t xp and ubuntu hardy.
windows games on XP, and try to use hardy as much as possible(esp UT2k4)
but I need enough horsepower to run XP in Virtual Box.
I don´t intend to buy an external graphics card at the moment, and this is supposed to be a VALUE PC.
Propably I may buy an 8500GT or a Radeon 3450 later. Will one of them do ?
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The Intel chip will outperform the AMD one once you overclock it, so if you're looking for pure performance after overclocking, go with Intel; a C2D @ 1.8GHz is about the same as a X2 @ 2.3GHz in terms of raw clock speed, and a C2D @ 3GHz about the same as a X2 @ 3.6GHz (nearly impossible to get on an AMD chip by the way). Second, I doubt any of those boards will allow for decent overclocks. Lastly, I would avoid overclocking IGPs at all.

These are the systems I would go with:

Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130126
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146117

AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146117

The AMD system will slightly outperform the Intel one at stock, but once overclocked the Intel one will edge it out in processing power. I would expect the Intel chip to be able to overclock to 2.4-2.6GHz with that setup, and the AMD to 2.5-2.8GHz.
As far as the IGPs, the 780G board has a better graphics chip and will outperform the 7150 by a bit. The 780G is able to do some DX9 gaming at acceptable levels and should be able to handle those games you mentioned at low-medium settings rather well (maybe not COD4). Linux support for both chips is good, but I'm not sure about performance for those particular chips.
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The Intel chip will outperform the AMD one once you overclock it, so if you're looking for pure performance after overclocking, go with Intel; a C2D @ 1.8GHz is about the same as a X2 @ 2.3GHz in terms of raw clock speed, and a C2D @ 3GHz about the same as a X2 @ 3.6GHz (nearly impossible to get on an AMD chip by the way). Second, I doubt any of those boards will allow for decent overclocks. Lastly, I would avoid overclocking IGPs at all.

These are the systems I would go with:

Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130126
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146117

AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146117

The AMD system will slightly outperform the Intel one at stock, but once overclocked the Intel one will edge it out in processing power. I would expect the Intel chip to be able to overclock to 2.4-2.6GHz with that setup, and the AMD to 2.5-2.8GHz.
As far as the IGPs, the 780G board has a better graphics chip and will outperform the 7150 by a bit. The 780G is able to do some DX9 gaming at acceptable levels and should be able to handle those games you mentioned at low-medium settings rather well (maybe not COD4). Linux support for both chips is good, but I'm not sure about performance for those particular chips.
well, once again, this is a budget system thats supposed to hold on till nehalem becomes mainstream and DDR3 prices hit DDR2 range.

If I go for a 780G mobo, where I come from, its only slightly cheaper(by 10%) than the whole Intel Setup I am planning with the exception of the RAM.

I am planning to get a HD3450 or a GF8500GT as GFX card in the near future, but I still need an excellent IGP.

As for your links, I did concider Brisbane core for AMD, but again, I am on a budget and where I come from, prices are rather high compared to those in USA.
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