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780G and 8200 are currently the best IGPs and really the only ones worth considering if you plan to be an active gamer. Below those probably the 690 is the best one, followed by the nvidia chips. Whatever you do, avoid the Intel IGPs. It would help if you told us what is your budget and where you will be buying your parts from.
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780G and 8200 are currently the best IGPs and really the only ones worth considering if you plan to be an active gamer. Below those probably the 690 is the best one, followed by the nvidia chips. Whatever you do, avoid the Intel IGPs. It would help if you told us what is your budget and where you will be buying your parts from.
my budget is around 125$ excluding RAM, for only CPU and Mobo.
I reside in bangalore, India.
over here, 1$ is roughly around 40 INR. And to give you an idea, Biostar GF7050V-F7 is INR 2,200 here, meaning 55$.

Edit: I saw your config... how THE HELL could you manage 3GHz from 4000+ ?
Edited by MetalheadGautham - 6/1/08 at 1:30pm
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Given the right board, most new AM2 chips can do 3GHz rather easily. I've seen some 3.6GHz chips, but 3.2-3.4GHz seems to be the max for AMD chips right now. People have been getting +3GHz on their Phenom BE as well. AMD chips do overclock, and overclock well. Just not as much as current Intel chips (has more to do with an architecture limitation).
Try to find a X2 3600+ (if you can) with a mATX 690G mobo, or a E2160 with a good mATX 610i. I'm afraid you're not going to get much out of such systems; overclocking potental will be limited, and the video perfomance will be in the minimal scale (Source based games should be no problem at low-medium settings though). They should both work well in Linux as well, and I think the 690G chipset has full 3D support with the open source driver (meaning it should work out of the box).
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Given the right board, most new AM2 chips can do 3GHz rather easily. I've seen some 3.6GHz chips, but 3.2-3.4GHz seems to be the max for AMD chips right now. People have been getting +3GHz on their Phenom BE as well. AMD chips do overclock, and overclock well. Just not as much as current Intel chips (has more to do with an architecture limitation).
Try to find a X2 3600+ (if you can) with a mATX 690G mobo, or a E2160 with a good mATX 610i. I'm afraid you're not going to get much out of such systems; overclocking potental will be limited, and the video perfomance will be in the minimal scale (Source based games should be no problem at low-medium settings though). They should both work well in Linux as well, and I think the 690G chipset has full 3D support with the open source driver (meaning it should work out of the box).
in my budget, there is room for a Cooler Master F2 CPU cooler, because its a budget cooler that can be used even when I upgrade to nehalem 1.5 years later. Can it help ? I heard 610i has a max vcore limit of 106%. Is it true ?
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I don't have first hand experience with those chips, but the range of overclocking options depends on the board. Since those are budget chips in mATX boards, I doubt they would have extensive overclocking options, and even the ones that they do have could be limited. Most mATX boards that I have used that do allow some form of overclocking only allow limited vcore changes (0.1 above stock is the most I have seen) and some RAM tweaking (mostly voltage and CAS timings).
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I don't have first hand experience with those chips, but the range of overclocking options depends on the board. Since those are budget chips in mATX boards, I doubt they would have extensive overclocking options, and even the ones that they do have could be limited. Most mATX boards that I have used that do allow some form of overclocking only allow limited vcore changes (0.1 above stock is the most I have seen) and some RAM tweaking (mostly voltage and CAS timings).
Well, E2160 is supposed to OC 3.0GHz safely on an Abit IP35-E or any other P35 board. With effort it goes to 3.2, and 3.4 is unstable on most situations. Some rare lucky guys got 100% OC to 3.6GHz on stock cooling using P35 chipset again. Unfortunately, almost all the data I have about overclocking E2160 involves the P35 chipset, which is beyond my reach because I don't intend to touch mainstream till Nehalem arrives.

So what I REALLY need now is information on how E2160 overclocks on nVidia 610i chipset.
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Not a lot of people run these budget chips. The more overclock inclined members anyways. If I were to guess, I would say 2.4-2.6GHz would be doable on such a board.

Edit: Here is a guy that got 2.4GHz with a similar CPU...
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=45668
Edited by Melcar - 6/1/08 at 4:22pm
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Not a lot of people run these budget chips. The more overclock inclined members anyways. If I were to guess, I would say 2.4-2.6GHz would be doable on such a board.
then what about this other information I got ?

1. 610i supports maximum 106% vcore

2. Biostar does provide a half decent stock cooler

3. Current E2160 chips are slightly worser or better than before, as its peak demand has ceased since arrival of E2180 due to which either only older stock of E2160s manufactured exclusively during its peak is available, or those E2160s which are made from rejected E4xxx parts recently are available.
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1 gig is not exactly what I am going to buy. 1gig now, and will decide 2gig later.

I am going to dual b00t xp and ubuntu hardy.
windows games on XP, and try to use hardy as much as possible(esp UT2k4)
but I need enough horsepower to run XP in Virtual Box.
I don´t intend to buy an external graphics card at the moment, and this is supposed to be a VALUE PC.
Propably I may buy an 8500GT or a Radeon 3450 later. Will one of them do ?
Gentlemen have anyone noticed that he is going to use the pc as dual boot with xp loaded through the Virtual box. AMD's virtualization tech. is definitely going to be handy for that. So i suggest go for AMD.
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then what about this other information I got ?

1. 610i supports maximum 106% vcore

2. Biostar does provide a half decent stock cooler

3. Current E2160 chips are slightly worser or better than before, as its peak demand has ceased since arrival of E2180 due to which either only older stock of E2160s manufactured exclusively during its peak is available, or those E2160s which are made from rejected E4xxx parts recently are available.

1. It depends on the board. I have never used those chipsets before, so I can't really say.

2. Biostar is known for its budget overclocking boards. They are well built and very easy to work with.

3. Just get the CPU that fits your budget. No two chips are the same and they all will overclock differently.

I hear that AMD virtualization support is much better than in Intel chips, so you may want to research that (I don't run virtual machines so I can't say).
For the IGP, here are a few old reviews on performance:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?p=3671673
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/...esting/?page=1
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