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Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post
lol so intel wiill have ati crossfire but not nvidia

amd will have xfire and sli

So the ultimate gaming comp will either have:

Best cpu (Intel) second best gpu (currently)
or
Second best cpu (currently) best gpu
I think that Intel + ATI would be better than Nvidia + AMD.

I don't think any number of Nvidia GPUs + AMD can compete with a 6GHz Core 2 Quad.
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post #72 of 85
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
Not going to happen. A buy-out of the #2 graphics chips maker (nVidia) by the #1 graphics chips maker (Intel... yes, that onboard stuff DOES sell ) will not pass Anti-trust regulations, since combined they'll controll about 75% of the market
Is this a US federal law or smthin?I was led to that assumption cause there is no such law in EU.
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post #73 of 85
Europe also has such laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust

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European Union law

In 1957 six Western European countries signed the Treaty of the European Community (EC Treaty or Treaty of Rome), which over the last fifty years has grown into a European Union of nearly half a billion citizens. The European Community is the name for the economic and social pillar of EU law, under which competition law falls. Healthy competition is seen as an essential element in the creation of a common market free from restraints on trade. The first provision is Article 81 EC, which deals with cartels and restrictive vertical agreements. Prohibited are...

"(1) ...all agreements between undertakings, decisions by associations of undertakings and concerted practices which may affect trade between Member States and which have as their object or effect the prevention, restriction or distortion of competition within the common market..."

Article 81(1) EC then gives examples of "hard core" restrictive practices such as price fixing or market sharing and 81(2) EC confirms that any agreements are automatically void. However, just like the Statute of Monopolies 1623, Article 81(3) EC creates exemptions, if the collusion is for distributional or technological innovation, gives consumers a "fair share" of the benefit and does not include unreasonable restraints (or disproportionate, in ECJ terminology) that risk eliminating competition anywhere. Article 82 EC deals with monopolies, or more precisely firms who have a dominant market share and abuse that position. Unlike U.S. Antitrust, EC law has never been used to punish the existence of dominant firms, but merely imposes a special responsibility to conduct oneself appropriately. Specific categories of abuse listed in Article 82 EC include price discrimination and exclusive dealing, much the same as sections 2 and 3 of the U.S. Clayton Act. Also under Article 82 EC, the European Council was empowered to enact a regulation to control mergers between firms, currently the latest known by the abbreviation of ECMR "Reg. 139/2004". The general test is whether a concentration (i.e. merger or acquisition) with a community dimension (i.e. affects a number of EU member states) might significantly impede effective competition. Again, the similarity to the Clayton Act's substantial lessening of competition. Finally, Articles 86 and 87 EC regulate the state's role in the market. Article 86(2) EC states clearly that nothing in the rules can be used to obstruct a member state's right to deliver public services, but that otherwise public enterprises must play by the same rules on collusion and abuse of dominance as everyone else. Article 87 EC, similar to Article 81 EC, lays down a general rule that the state may not aid or subsidise private parties in distortion of free competition, but then grants exceptions for things like charities, natural disasters or regional development.
And indeed, in the US there are also federal anti-trust laws. And those laws are enforced. Quite some time ago, AT&T had a near-monopoly on telecommunications, and was forced by the government to break up. (I think they broke up in 4 or 5 different companies).
    
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i don't get why you all hate nvidia chipsets so much? the 680i chipsets were pretty bad, but the 780i and 790i chipsets overclock about the same as p35/x38...
I try not to let personal experience cause me to say silly things like *insert company*'s stuff sucks!" but when it comes to Nvidia motherboards, I have to try really, really hard. I had such a bad run with their motherboards that I almost gave up on the hobby -- literally. My P35 on the otherhand has proven to be a great motherboard.
post #75 of 85
Well we may have such laws but they are kinda never used .For example we had only ONE phone line company up until 2002 or smthin(which still controls about 60%+ of the market).We still have ONE electric power company...and the list goes on.And just imagine that this phone line company(Ote) is now mergin (under EU blessings) with Germany telecommunications ruler(Deutse Telecoms).Anyway sorry for creatin a scenario about Nvidia's future whilst i was so ignorant about US law system.Thx for your replies =)
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Well we may have such laws but they are kinda never used .For example we had only ONE phone line company up until 2002 or smthin(which still controls about 60%+ of the market).We still have ONE electric power company...and the list goes on.And just imagine that this phone line company(Ote) is now mergin (under EU blessings) with Germany telecommunications ruler(Deutse Telecoms).Anyway sorry for creatin a scenario about Nvidia's future whilst i was so ignorant about US law system.Thx for your replies =)
Note that EU laws apply EU wide. Thus, even though your Electric company has 60% of the market, in the EU market it probably has <10%. Only when a company has such a dominant position in the EU market will EU laws be applied.

Plus, it's harder to act against an existing company (Intel has a huge market share in the CPU market and MS undeniable has at least a half decent chunk of the OS market ) than to prevent another giant to be created in a merger. Thus, a combining Intel and nVidia will be met by resistance by both US and EU regulators.
Edited by Chozart - 6/2/08 at 10:51pm
    
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Seeing as that is just rumor and hearsay, not to mention that if it's true it doesn't concern the actual platform worth bothering with (LGA1366 is more than just 'extreme edition'), I don't think you should draw too many conclusions yet.
It still defeats the point, the point of Overclocking is to buy a slow, cheap CPU and then make it beat the big boys, not to have a special platform just for it, and since a Intel rep on another forum confirmed it...
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post #78 of 85
Ok then answer me this?

If Intel got SLI, who would buy an nforce board here if they wanted SLI?

Anyone?

I for one would not as I have had 3 n force boards, they have all been great bar the ASUS one...But Intel seems to be friendlier with overclocking and memory.
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was there a nvidia board for intel before lga 775? for a while nvidia was amd only
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My final opinion on this - If Intel doesn't get a deal pretty soon then I expect them to give the finger to Nvidia and just use its PCIE Chip as on Skulltrail, then keep the processors for themselves.
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