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I want to try watercooling again soon but have a few gripes

about 8 months ago I could get a D5 pump for $70 (vario)... now its 85+... what gives?

I now see some 240 Rads priced up to $99..... Seriously, what makes a 240mm Rad 99$ vs another Black ice GTX Extreme Series thats $50, and some go as low as $35 for a 240.

Best waterblock for dual cores? Suggestions here


And Can you guys point me to places that have decent prices? for a CPU loop on a 240 Rad, I cannot manage under $200... Its driving me crazy, I thought $150 could get you a decent CPU loop

I already have fans for the loop so count those out

I need CPU block, Tubing, 240mm Rad, and a pump. Im getting a custom res made later
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I want to try watercooling again soon but have a few gripes

about 8 months ago I could get a D5 pump for $70 (vario)... now its 85+... what gives?

I now see some 240 Rads priced up to $99..... Seriously, what makes a 240mm Rad 99$ vs another Black ice GTX Extreme Series thats $50, and some go as low as $35 for a 240.

Best waterblock for dual cores? Suggestions here


And Can you guys point me to places that have decent prices? for a CPU loop on a 240 Rad, I cannot manage under $200... Its driving me crazy, I thought $150 could get you a decent CPU loop

I already have fans for the loop so count those out

I need CPU block, Tubing, 240mm Rad, and a pump. Im getting a custom res made later
Pumps have gone through the roof...I'd still get a D-5 vario, they are hard to beat for general WC'ing...You can still get them for $80 bux here....D-5

The V-1 Fuzion is still probably the best for a dualie.. FuZion CPU Block..Some should be showing up in the for sale threads since V2 has come out, you might get a good deal on one if you watch for them....

Just use a t-line to save $$$, they are just a little slower to bleed then a res....

Tubing..7/16x5/8".Cant beat it, use it on 1/2" barbs....Or this for full 1/2"..1/2x3/4"..

Coolant.Pentosin..Biocide.PT Nuke..Or for cheap just use 10% any anti-freeze and a bottle of iodine tincture, the kind that has alcohol in it...

What fans do you want to use, that will determine what kind of rad you will want to use...

Some rads are single row and are a little cheaper, dual row rads are more hi po and cost more...I think the best cheap rad to use with 100+ cfm fans is still the BIX, it will get you with-in a couple of C of a PA and costs half as much, that is if fan noise isn't a problem for you....BIX 240

I don't remember if I ever left you my cleaning and set-up PDF so I will, its just basic cleaning and set-up, its just how I do mine....
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http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38scdfuka2.html These are the fans I will be using

However I dont intend on using them at full speed, probably a tad lower if they are louder than an air conditioning unit (doubtful)

I want to use 7/16in tubing, less chance of leak and no performance loss versus its 1/16in larger counterpart

I plan on using distilled water and just adding stuff to it - PT Nuke seems right stuff for cleaner... is coolant worth anything? I hear it just makes the water more viscous.

And thats the Rad I was looking at, since you posted it, I think its a golden buy now I was worried about fans tho, should I decide to turn it down at night a tad... what kind of impact on performance are we talking ? Mind you the ambient temps will drop alot at night, but I will reduce airflow so I can sleep right next to this thing
    
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http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38scdfuka2.html These are the fans I will be using

However I dont intend on using them at full speed, probably a tad lower if they are louder than an air conditioning unit (doubtful)

I want to use 7/16in tubing, less chance of leak and no performance loss versus its 1/16in larger counterpart

I plan on using distilled water and just adding stuff to it - PT Nuke seems right stuff for cleaner... is coolant worth anything? I hear it just makes the water more viscous.

And thats the Rad I was looking at, since you posted it, I think its a golden buy now I was worried about fans tho, should I decide to turn it down at night a tad... what kind of impact on performance are we talking ? Mind you the ambient temps will drop alot at night, but I will reduce airflow so I can sleep right next to this thing
Those are a perfect cfm for a BIX, you can easily drop it down to 80-90cfm or so and still get get decent performance when you need it quiet...Run them full tilt boogie when you load it up...I don't have any idea how well those fans under-volt, I've never used them...I really like the BIX, I've used them a lot...You should be able to drop it down to 60 or 80 cfm with no problem on a idle rig...

A BIX will do real well with a shroud, its the cheapest couple of C you can get in WC'ing, that is if you have a pretty good load on it...Hey if nothing else it will spread the airflow out over more of the rad and it wont pack up with dust as fast...
..How To: Make any Sized shroud in 2 minutes

..How To: Build A Performance Shroud

..Poll: Push or pull configuration for Radiators

..Part 1- Temp's with and with-out shrouds

I just gut old 120x38mm fans for shrouds anymore when I can find surplus ones for cheap...I used to make mine out of aluminum channel and the gutted fans work just as well...Seal the shroud ot the rad well, and the fans to the shroud, i usually just us e alittle bead of clear silicone for that...It will scrape right off with a thumb nail if you ever want ot clean it up...

I like run a little Pentosin in my all copper and brass loops for an anti-corrosive, it replaces missing ions from the distilling process, it helps to keep your coolant ph up around a 7 or a neutral, when its lower then a 7 ph it can be acidic enough to be corrosive to like metals..Well all metals will corrode after a while, its just can be faster when your coolant is acidic.....Just mix it at 10 or 11 to 1 with distilled, you wont get it to viscous at that..I really love PT Nuke, its copper based and works great...

These are the best 2 links on the net for coolant chemistry I think, they are a little involved, I re-read them every few months and still seem to get a little more out of them each time...I might just be a little slow to because I've been reading them for years now...

..PC Water Coolant Chemistry - Part I

..PC Water Coolant Chemistry - Part II

This is a great description of convection and conduction cooling...

...Cooling - An In-Depth Look
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WOW.

Alright that sounds good

I have 2 older 120mmx25mm fans that are uselessly slow.. I can gut those for shrouds, worth it? or not big enough? its free


and one last thing, I have heard good stuff about Danger Den's Multicore TDX CPU block.... any experience here? I just don't want to get something then get boned out of it later on, ya know '


Thanks for the fast help Ira


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http://www.dangerden.com/store/home.php?cat=54
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WOW.

Alright that sounds good

I have 2 older 120mmx25mm fans that are uselessly slow.. I can gut those for shrouds, worth it? or not big enough? its free


and one last thing, I have heard good stuff about Danger Den's Multicore TDX CPU block.... any experience here? I just don't want to get something then get boned out of it later on, ya know '


Thanks for the fast help Ira


Opinions on any of theese additives? I am trying to consolidate all my items to just a few stores, instead of 4-5
http://www.dangerden.com/store/home.php?cat=54

Hey its NP...I've not really heard much about the multi-cores for Intel,they look real decent, the one for AMD seems to do a pretty decent job, but thats like comparing apples to oranges...So Sorry I cant be much help with that...

Hey a 25mm thick fan is .98" thick, thats a lot better then no shroud..1.5" is what i've always heard was the optimum depth, but I've run 1' and they do help....So I would use those if you want to, maybe you can run across some 120x38mm later on...

I've not used this but it looks like it would do the job and its not real expensive, gives me the creeps to spend a lot on coolant......Corrosion blocker

EDIT: Hew you know you can just run 10% or so of any antifreeze and it would do about as well as that Fesser...
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I will probably cut 1 side from the fans to make it a better shroud, I wont leave em as just fans I can prob hollow out the center some too
    
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I will probably cut 1 side from the fans to make it a better shroud, I wont leave em as just fans I can prob hollow out the center some too
Yeah thats all you have to do is gut them, a little widening could only make them better...

Hey I see Martin is out there, I think he flow tested one of the DD blocks, not sure if he did thermals to, you might want to yell at him and see...
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The TDX and MC-TDX I've tested with flow testing. I've also done some really rough thermals on the MC-TDX...it's pretty close to the D-Tek Fuzion V1, but the fuzion had a very slight lead. They are all good blocks now, the difference is usually only a few degrees at most.

I've got a new one, I'm playing with that might very well become my new favorite for low cost.

The apogee drive.

The reason I like it is this. It has a Laing DDC 3.1 motor on it, you can voltmod this motor to be a DDC 3.2. You can also remove the motor and put any pump top on it later if you wanted to go with a different CPU block.

Also the CPU block is an Apogee GTX basically. The apogee GT has almost the same base as a GTX, but the GTX has better flow because it goes from corner to corner. The apogee drive has really good flow and distributes that flow over the entire base which should work really well for quads.

Anyhow, I've been working on a reveiw of the drive and I can't help but suggest it. Take it apart, clean up some casting flaws, voltmod the thing to a DDC 3.2 and I bet it'll do every bit as good as a stand alone DDC 3.2 and Apogee GT for much less $$.

Then buy a good heatercore or double/triple rad. No you don't need a $100 rad, buy an MCR320 and it'll do just fine, add a T-line and you'll have a really good performing setup for really cheap..

I plan to do thermal testing with it when I get my quad core system up and running right. So it'll be a while before I get all my results, but I expect the drive to do ALOT better than people give it credit. I have to admit myself that I blew it off as a wast of money kit, but now that I've opened one up...I've got a new outlook on it.
    
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Yeah I basically though they were junk to...Get that mobo fired up...
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