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what is so big different btw 1333 and 1066 mhz in term of performance?
It doesn't matter. Think of 1066 as a 8800GT and 1333 as a 8800GT SuperClocked. It's just Intel's way of offering you less multipliers by pre-overclocking CPUs for you.
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Depends what you want to do with it. If you are building a gaming rig (average graphics card) then get an E2180 and overclock it. If you have some serious SLI action maybe consider an E8400. Unless you are doing some video editing, do not go for the quad cores. And especially the Q9450 which should be bought only if you really want to encode.

I have found in recent times on this site it has become very epeen orientated with the Q6600. But the fact is most people here play games and the E2180 does this job more than fine at the most popular resolutions.
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Depends what you want to do with it. If you are building a gaming rig (average graphics card) then get an E2180 and overclock it. If you have some serious SLI action maybe consider an E8400. Unless you are doing some video editing, do not go for the quad cores. And especially the Q9450 which should be bought only if you really want to encode.

I have found in recent times on this site it has become very epeen orientated with the Q6600. But the fact is most people here play games and the E2180 does this job more than fine at the most popular resolutions.
If you bothered to read the thread, he did say he would do lots of media and wants to keep this CPU for a few years. If you think Q6600 is that epeen orientated then why suggest Q9450? It's over 50% more money for no noticeable performance gain.

The entire E2k-series is crippled by only 1MB L2 cache, and that won't do any good in half the things a computer can do. If people are that focused on games, they would just get a X360 or PS3, neither of which can do intensive multimedia work, and no I'm not talking about playing movies alone.
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Depends what you want to do with it. If you are building a gaming rig (average graphics card) then get an E2180 and overclock it. If you have some serious SLI action maybe consider an E8400. Unless you are doing some video editing, do not go for the quad cores. And especially the Q9450 which should be bought only if you really want to encode.

I have found in recent times on this site it has become very epeen orientated with the Q6600. But the fact is most people here play games and the E2180 does this job more than fine at the most popular resolutions.
I was looking into the E2180. I am going to go Crossfire when the 4000 Series come out. Which is what brought me to the 8400. I'll be pairing two HD4870's or a HD4870X2 with a HD4870. I understand after overlclocking (especially E2180 at 70 dollars) it doesn't matter if it's the E2180 or the Q6600 or E8400 because past a certain speed games don't care. Seeing as Q6600 is the same price if not 20 dollars more than then E8400 I figured I'd future proof myself in case Quads in the upcoming year become optimized. I am looking to save money in the long run as well. Have a Quad now vs. spend 70 - 200 dollars then upgrade later. Especially when I will be adding a second video card on the system.

This could also bite me in the ass if the Quads of now compared to the future ones become nothing to what they're going to be needed/used for in applications. So right now I am just tossing ideas until those 4000 series cards come out and my gov't stimulus check arrives.

The one thing I know I don't like about the E2180 which I also know I shouldn't care much about is the Cache which relates to approx. a 15% in performance which in gaming it is barely visible. I think part of my thoughts on Quad now over Quad later is to know I can get this all done soon and not worry about watching the market closely and be doing this 6+ months from now asking everyone what new chip I should get, also if they switch off the LGA775 socket I'd be upset. =P

But that E2180 is ideal for any gamer looking to not spend a lot, to think I went from a $600-$800 PC to now $1300.
    
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If you bothered to read the thread, he did say he would do lots of media and wants to keep this CPU for a few years. If you think Q6600 is that epeen orientated then why suggest Q9450? It's over 50% more money for no noticeable performance gain.

The entire E2k-series is crippled by only 1MB L2 cache, and that won't do any good in half the things a computer can do. If people are that focused on games, they would just get a X360 or PS3, neither of which can do intensive multimedia work, and no I'm not talking about playing movies alone.
He also beat me to it.

Buying the Quad will open me into more media oriented things with my PC. I own a PS3 and as much as I love it (and will set it to Fold@Home for OC.net's team soon =P) I hate looking at my PC and refering to it as an expensive game machine. I would like to have it do a lot more.
    
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If you bothered to read the thread, he did say he would do lots of media and wants to keep this CPU for a few years. If you think Q6600 is that epeen orientated then why suggest Q9450? It's over 50% more money for no noticeable performance gain.
Why not the Extreme chips? I think that would be the Ron Jeremy of epeen right there.

Chozart also has me looking at the 6700. =P Although that avatar he has is scary looking.
    
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Last thing, 65nm vs. 45nm?
    
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Why not the Extreme chips? I think that would be the Ron Jeremy of epeen right there.

Chozart also has me looking at the 6700. =P Although that avatar he has is scary looking.
Sure. Get a Skulltrail motherboard, 2x Core 2 ExPeen QX9775, 16GB ECC DDR2, and 2x 9800GX2 (even when quad-SLI doesn't work).

Back to reality. Yeah you might wanna look into the Q6700 if you can spring for it. The newer Q6600 batches haven't got good results, whereas the Q6700 are hitting 3.8-4.0GHz regularly on good motherboards like the DFI we talked about earlier.

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Last thing, 65nm vs. 45nm?
Here's a clock for clock comparison: http://en.expreview.com/2007/11/30/r...2-duo-e8400/5/

You decide. I just think that the only worthy 45nm quad would be a Q9650 (not the Extreme) which comes out in a few months at just over $500. Psh, get a Q6700.
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What's the point if he's gonna upgrade anyway? There isn't gonna be a significantly better quad before Nehalem, not to mention E8400 is only a tiny bit less expensive than the Q6600.
So true. That argument had a lot more strength when the E8400 was $200 and the Q6600 was $270 but I got my Q66 retail for $180.
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If you bothered to read the thread, he did say he would do lots of media and wants to keep this CPU for a few years. If you think Q6600 is that epeen orientated then why suggest Q9450? It's over 50% more money for no noticeable performance gain.

The entire E2k-series is crippled by only 1MB L2 cache, and that won't do any good in half the things a computer can do. If people are that focused on games, they would just get a X360 or PS3, neither of which can do intensive multimedia work, and no I'm not talking about playing movies alone.
It's a five page thread. I didn't read it through. As for the E2xxx series, they are excellent for gaming which is what I suggested it for. The Q9450 has SSE4 and runs cooler than the Q6600 which is why I suggested it for heavy encoding.
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