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for the ram...get 4GB, you might as well, you can find 4gb for about the same price as the 2gb you listed. heres some great ones
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
4gb, 1000mhz, and believe me when i say this: 4gb makes EVERYTHING faster, boot times, response, everything. and what os are you gonna use? id suggest vista home premiumx64 sp1 oem, its under $100
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So whats the difference between DDR2 1000 and 1066 RAM?
The board specified 1066, which is why I listed the RAM that I did. Will the board automatically adjust the RAM to the correct speeds?

As far as OS, I'm still undecided.
My neighbor has a few spare XP disks from when he used to build for people, so I can get XP for free.
However, I do like the media Center in Vista, as well as the ability to fully utilize all my ram (if I don't go with 4gb now, it will be an upgrade in the future) with the 64 Bit version.

Seeing as XP would be free for me, that is my first pick. Would XP running Myth TV be similar to vista with Media Center? or will Vista be far superior?
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New question regarding the case.

Would it be better to go with the case I listed, which I got from an example of an htcp build, or to go with somehting like this instead?



Rosewill R6422-P BK Black SGCC Steel ATX Mid Tower - 23.99 (+9.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147064

Corsair VX 550W ATX Power Supply - CMPSU-550VX - 74.99
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-5...205852646.html

For a total of 108.97 (which is just about the same price as the case I listed previousely)

From what I understand, Corsair power supplies are very good, and the power supply is an important part of a build. With this option, not only do i get a very reputable power supply, but I also get more power for the option of future upgrades (550w vs 380w).
Also, would this case, being an ATX instead of a microATX give better cooling?
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That PSU you selected above is a very nice selection. I've used 3 in the past for other builds and they are rock solid. 5 year warranty too.
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Also, would this case, being an ATX instead of a microATX give better cooling?
An ATX case would allow you to put in more fans and larger (120mm), so in theory it should cool better.
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Case wise, it depends on where you want it to go. My own personal HTPC's use true HTPC cases (well as close as I can afford). But if you don't mind having a loud and oversized HTPC, then go for it . Use a bigger case . Honestly, its all up to you. But the Antec PSU that comes with your current case in your list should be fine. Antec also makes quality PSU's.
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An ATX case would allow you to put in more fans and larger (120mm), so in theory it should cool better.
An energy efficient HTPC don't need that much cooling. I am running mine in a slim mATX case with only a 92mm HSF fan, 80mm PSU fan, and 80mm case fan. All fans are at 800RPM or less. Even with 80C ambient temps are fine under full load.

For a PSU, you can save money with an EarthWatts 430 for $30AR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371006

EDIT: Actually, keep the Antec EarthWatts 380w. Your system won't pull more than 120w under full load.


I would also spend $3 more and get the 2.1GHz BE-2350 (45w) instead of the 2.4GHz Athlon X2 (65w): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103231

Also, make sure to get a good HSF so you can run a very low speed fan on it.
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post #18 of 36
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Thanks everyone for the help so far!

now more questions regarding the help,

The PSU
Mail in Rebates are too much of a hassle to think about. I'm more concerned with money spent now. By the time that $30 comes back to me, it will mean nothing.
So that said, would it still be better to go with the corsair instead of the antec? Maybe this corsair instead since it would be nearly the same price as the antec (without the MIRs)

Corsair VX 450w Power Supply - CMPSU-450VX - 59.99
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-4...205466485.html

I've just heard nothing but good about corsair PSUs, and from what I read, the PSU is an important part that could take out multiple components is if went.


And for the Processor.
Whats the benefit, aside from power saving, with the processor that you listed? The one I had listed is 300Mhz faster, and has twice the L2 Cache.
Not trying to question your opinion, just trying to learn

Thanks again everyone for your help!
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post #19 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcrai View Post
Thanks everyone for the help so far!

now more questions regarding the help,

The PSU
Mail in Rebates are too much of a hassle to think about. I'm more concerned with money spent now. By the time that $30 comes back to me, it will mean nothing.
So that said, would it still be better to go with the corsair instead of the antec? Maybe this corsair instead since it would be nearly the same price as the antec (without the MIRs)

Corsair VX 450w Power Supply - CMPSU-450VX - 59.99
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-4...205466485.html

I've just heard nothing but good about corsair PSUs, and from what I read, the PSU is an important part that could take out multiple components is if went.


And for the Processor.
Whats the benefit, aside from power saving, with the processor that you listed? The one I had listed is 300Mhz faster, and has twice the L2 Cache.
Not trying to question your opinion, just trying to learn

Thanks again everyone for your help!
Earthwatts are decent quality PSUs as well. The older models are built by Seasonic which also builds some of Corsair's PSUs.

Actaully, get the X2 4050e processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103257
1) That Athlon X2, BE, and 4050e all have the same cache size.
2) You won't notice the 300MHz difference unless you do encoding.
3) Lower heat output means less cooling required.... that means less fans.... which means quieter systems. Under full load, the BE and 4050e consume about 15-30w less.
4) HTPC/DVR tend to be left on 24/7. The 4050e idle is lower than the others by 3-5w. Less power consumption + less heat.
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Hmm...

Would this be a good alternative to what we have come up with on this thread?

http://www.woot.com/

I'm not going to jump on it today (They have similar deals occasionally), but I'm wondering if it's worth it.

Stats incase the link doesnt work or changes (at midnight tonight)
* AMD Phenom™ 9500 Quad-Core Processor running at 2.2GHz
* 3072MB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM memory
* 640GB (2×320GB) 7200RPM Serial ATA hard drive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT graphics card with 256MB dedicated video memory (TV-out, DVI, and HDMI capabilities with support for Microsoft® DirectX® 10)
* SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology
* NTSC TV tuner, over-the-air ATSC high-definition television tuner, and FM tuner
* 10/100Base-T network interface
* HP Personal Media Drive bay
* NVIDIA nForce 430 Chipset
* 6 USB ports (2 in front, 4 in back)
* 2 FireWire® (IEEE 1394) ports (1 Front, 1 Back)
* Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium

Now it's right about the price of the system I'm planning on building.

Obviously I don't think the components will be as good as the ones I have picked out (mobo, ram, tuner card, PSU), but it still does seem like a pretty decent deal seeing that it comes with the quad core phenom which is nearly 200 alone on newegg. And it also comes with Vista premium, which is another decent value. But on the other hand it is a refurb and only has a 90 day warranty.
Since I wasn't planning on overclocking this since it is an HTPC, maybe something like this wouldn't be such a bad deal?

I'm pretty sure I will still go the route of building it myself, just because it is somehting that I want to do, but I wanted some opinions on the deal from newegg.
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