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those "older" AGP computers are like at least 2 generations behind the times. You can now build a PCIE PC of sililar scale, if not better than a AGP system.

So for those who have a AGP PC and want to upgrade the video, you would be throwing money away on a new AGP card. Spend that money into a PCIC motherboard, that will run the ram you currently have. A 939 board would be a good transition because it supprots the older DDR1 ram. You can get a 3200+ for 20 bucks, and that will preform leaps and bounds better over the P4 your probably running...

So for like 60-80 bucks, you can get a PCIE motherboard, and CPU to go with it, that will support the ram you already have. Then place the rest of your money into a PCIE card... And i mean really. If you cant get together another 100 bucks to upgrade to PCIE, then you shouldn't be spending your money on computer stuff...
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Ya know, some people don't have the finances to upgrade their entire computer every time they want to play a more graphically intense game.

Ever been to college?
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Originally Posted by leakyfaucet View Post
Ya know, some people don't have the finances to upgrade their entire computer every time they want to play a more graphically intense game.

Ever been to college?
Fair point, BUT the money spent on getting an inferior AGP card can be used to buy a suitable PCI-E platform.
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I'm in collage... If you are looking to upgrade an AGP card, then your doing more than book reports...

I am not going to get into the whole "why AGP is dead" thing. I am simply stating that whatever money you get together to upgrade ur system, you are in fact waisting your money. Deal with the hardware you have now, and confine saving ur funds for a meaningful upgrade, later.

If I were to argue I would say that if your in collage, you should not be foucusing your time/money into older computer tech. Put your efforts in collage so you get that degree that will get you that killer job that will support your PC needs. The games you want to play now, are not going anywhere. So just sit on what you have until you get the funds orcome across the deal that will save you from flushing your money down the drain buying a new agp video card.
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So I guess I am just a complete idiot for buying a 6200 PCI video card for my dads computer?
Come on people. Not everybody has the money or even need to upgrade the entire computer.
My dads MoBo has only PCI slots, so AGP is not even an option. He has an old P4 system built 6+ years ago. It does everything he needs done. Why spend $400+ for a new computer when I can get him a new card for <$20.
Only reason he even needs it is he runs dual displays and his old 5200's fan was dying and making tons of noise.

Now I agree that there is no reason to waste money in developing and producing the newest generation cards in AGP (or PCI) format, but there is still a huge market for it, so they will still be needed.
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Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post
That's why I wonder why they still make AGP and PCI graphics^^
PCI graphic cards are very useful when you BIOS flash other video cards, when you need a spare video card in case one card dies etc...
    
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NOOOOO!!!~~

*Hugs AGP 6200*
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So I guess I am just a complete idiot for buying a 6200 PCI video card for my dads computer?
Come on people. Not everybody has the money or even need to upgrade the entire computer.
My dads MoBo has only PCI slots, so AGP is not even an option. He has an old P4 system built 6+ years ago. It does everything he needs done. Why spend $400+ for a new computer when I can get him a new card for <$20.
Only reason he even needs it is he runs dual displays and his old 5200's fan was dying and making tons of noise.

Now I agree that there is no reason to waste money in developing and producing the newest generation cards in AGP (or PCI) format, but there is still a huge market for it, so they will still be needed.
Your situation is completely valid. Old PC's that just need a cheap replacement is one thing. The point i am trying to argue, that people cant figure out, and is probably the biggest thing when discussing upgrades to AGP computers, is that there is no need, and is completely waist full to spend xxx on a new AGP video card...

Here is the senario i am arguing against:

"Hello, i have an AGP motherboard with a xxxxx AGP video card. I want to upgrade it to get more performance out of my computer. I have $xxx to spend on a new video card, what should i get?"

This quote is NOT what you want to be doing with your computer. At this point in the PC tech market, you are so better off spending that $xxx towards a budget PCIE system. It will out preform your AGP system for sure!! Your new PCIE system will cost you a LITTLE more, but your are jumping into the next tech bracket, which will allow you to further upgrade your PC, and not keep waisting money in an older, maxed out PC...

This senario is totally valid:

"Hello, my dad has an older computer that he doesn't do much with. I am looking for a BUDGET agp card that preforms well enough to run 2 monitors. I have $xx to spend, what should i get?"

This idea works. I shows that you know you have an older PC and you know that your are not going to get much out of your computer...

It all boils down to the fact that ether you know exactly what you want, or you want to get the most out of your PC.

If you have an older PC, and are asking people on what you should get to upgrade, people are going to recommend tech that is not dying...

If you know you have an older PC and just want something that works, or falls into some minor requirements, then a specific piece of hardware can be recommended...
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There was a thread started where they compared performance of a PCI-E 3850 to an AGP version. Different motherboards but all of the other hardware was the same. What happened? There was very little difference between the performance of the two so saying AGP is a dead technology is not completely correct.

Technology is going to change. That's how the world works. Those who create the technology ultimately control how things go but to say that AGP is lack luster interface by today's standards makes me giggle.

I'll see if I can find that thread.
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Originally Posted by Perry View Post
There was a thread started where they compared performance of a PCI-E 3850 to an AGP version. Different motherboards but all of the other hardware was the same. What happened? There was very little difference between the performance of the two so saying AGP is a dead technology is not completely correct.

Technology is going to change. That's how the world works. Those who create the technology ultimately control how things go but to say that AGP is lack luster interface by today's standards makes me giggle.

I'll see if I can find that thread.
... I think that was a Tom's Hardware or Ars Technica article as well, I read it within the last week and thought the results were interesting, but ultimately not surprising about the bandwidth. The problem is that they aren't making Dual Core 754 & 478 chips... if they were, then this whole thing would be a different story

Its a wonder that this thread is still going...

Now lets make like 4Chan and 404 AGP so we can win more internets than the guys on XS!

JoBlo69, I've gotta give you props for sticking this thread out and continuing to write long, detailed posts.
Edited by FearMeansControl - 6/4/08 at 8:26am
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