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Ahh, no. While it may seem that AMD is hurting, they have much more potential for the future. Having chipset, CPU and GFX options that are good and getting better, I don't see how they are in a worse position.
Agreed. They're losing money at the moment, but that's largely due to huge ATi buyout. They're making some really nice gains with their CPUs, GPUs, and chipsets at the moment. It seems that they're getting organized again after acquiring ATi.

Also worth considering is that it seems like all three companies (meaning Nvidia, AMD, and Intel) seem to want to bring the CPU and GPU closer together to take advantage of GPU architecture for things CPUs are inefficient at. Nvidia is trying to do this with CUDA, but their relationship with Intel isn't the best so they either have to develop their own CPU (Tegra?) or continue to sell their GPGPUs as add ons. Then you have Intel who already has the CPU and is working on developing their own GPU, Larabee. However, you also have AMD and under its umbrella is both a strong GPU and CPU, and is already on track to converge the two on a single die with Fusion. If Fusion-style processors really are where the technology is headed, it's not unreasonable at all to say that AMD is in a better position than Nvidia, maybe even better than Intel.
post #102 of 113
i hope one day nvidia will come up with it's own cpu that can match with intel... that would be awesome to see that
Edited by Fearless - 6/6/08 at 2:14am
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How hard would it be for nvidia to say make their own CPU or a GPU that acts like a CPU?
hard but very possible... i'm confident nvidia can do it if they really wanted to...
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No, and the reason is because the vast majority of their customers couldn't care less about SLI support. The only market it really effects is the enthusiast.
Ah so, thats just fine then.

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I don't blame Intel at all, it's really Nvidia's doing. They were the ones going around saying that Intel's technology was obsolete and now they stand to lose a lot because they won't have access to it.
Both have been extremely childish imo, sure obviously NVIDIA stand to loose a lot from this move by Intel, but it effects us aswell. No SLi for Nehalem? That's not a good thing for NVIDIA, or current SLi users wishing to upgrade their CPU.

It is going to piss people off.
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Why are you you all saying Nvidia are like a bunch of children...

You are all pretty silly...

Nvidia didn't let Intel have the SLI system... So Intel refused to let Nvidia have Nehalem support. Its called business, something will come out of this...

But you need to look at this from Nvidia's point of view. If Intel has SLI then pretty much no-one will buy an Nforce board again therefore losing Nvidia big money in the motherboard business.

Intel however will make loads of money with their new SLI support and also Crossfire support, add to that the superior overclockability that seems to be existant in Intel chipsets.

What sort of a choice was it for Nvidia? Sell themselves out of the motherboard trade and seeing Intel make loads of money off their tech?

To try and counter act their drop in mobo sales, they would then try and raise the price on all their lisenced products and Graphics cards.... Hence making more people go to AMD/ATI for the better value...

I am not employed by or associated with Nvidia in any way!
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Why are you you all saying Nvidia are like a bunch of children...

You are all pretty silly...

Nvidia didn't let Intel have the SLI system... So Intel refused to let Nvidia have Nehalem support. Its called business, something will come out of this...

But you need to look at this from Nvidia's point of view. If Intel has SLI then pretty much no-one will buy an Nforce board again therefore losing Nvidia big money in the motherboard business.

Intel however will make loads of money with their new SLI support and also Crossfire support, add to that the superior overclockability that seems to be existant in Intel chipsets.

What sort of a choice was it for Nvidia? Sell themselves out of the motherboard trade and seeing Intel make loads of money off their tech?

To try and counter act their drop in mobo sales, they would then try and raise the price on all their lisenced products and Graphics cards.... Hence making more people go to AMD/ATI for the better value...

I am not employed by or associated with Nvidia in any way!
Well put, nVidia is going to lose no matter what they do concerning Intel.
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Why are you you all saying Nvidia are like a bunch of children...

You are all pretty silly...

Nvidia didn't let Intel have the SLI system... So Intel refused to let Nvidia have Nehalem support. Its called business, something will come out of this...

But you need to look at this from Nvidia's point of view. If Intel has SLI then pretty much no-one will buy an Nforce board again therefore losing Nvidia big money in the motherboard business.

Intel however will make loads of money with their new SLI support and also Crossfire support, add to that the superior overclockability that seems to be existant in Intel chipsets.

What sort of a choice was it for Nvidia? Sell themselves out of the motherboard trade and seeing Intel make loads of money off their tech?

To try and counter act their drop in mobo sales, they would then try and raise the price on all their lisenced products and Graphics cards.... Hence making more people go to AMD/ATI for the better value...

I am not employed by or associated with Nvidia in any way!
Honestly them refusing to let Intel use SLi tech isn't what made them look childish. Their comments and behavior to Intel, and everyone else in the PC industry really, is what made me draw this opinion.

Comments like, "How much faster can you render a BSOD?"

Nvidia should know as they caused 60% of reported BSOD's in Vista.

Them saying CPU's are dead and a waste of money.

And no I'm not pro intel. Frankly I would pick AMD/ATi over both anyday.
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Look I'm not a fan-boy. On my studio's audio workstation, I had a TNT2 Ultra run for 7 years. My closet back in the US is like a chronicle of technology developed by both sides. When Nvidia was up against 3dfx, they were quite humble. At that time, there were many manufacturers doing 3D chipsets and they were just one that had a winning combo with the Riva TNT. Over the past few years the competition between ATi and Nvidia has created a dramatic explosion in GPU technology, and Intel claims that they will again transform this race.

One thing that has bugged me though, has been the tone of the comments coming out of Nvidia since the series 8 chips gave them such a win on ATi. I wouldn't call it childish as much as arrogant. Arrogant in one of those tortoise and the hare sort of ways. They have alienated themselves from both AMD and Intel, forgetting something very important. Enthusiast graphics are a very very tiny (micro-small) portion of the PC market. If they think Nehalem is a dead technology, then they'll be happy to build boards with AMD. Oh, oopps, that'll be a great way to make their rival profitable.

I like Intel's move here. "Oh, we're deprecated? Okay, then you won't be needing this (takes the Nehalem chip out of young Nvidia's hand)."

Rob
Edited by RobRedbeard - 6/6/08 at 7:22pm
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Look I'm not a fan-boy. On my studio's audio workstation, I had a TNT2 Ultra run for 7 years. My closet back in the US is like a chronicle of technology developed by both sides. When Nvidia was up against 3dfx, they were quite humble. At that time, there were many manufacturers doing 3D chipsets and they were just one that had a winning combo with the Riva TNT. Over the past few years the competition between ATi and Nvidia has created a dramatic explosion in GPU technology, and Intel claims that they will again transform this race.

One thing that has bugged me though, has been the tone of the comments coming out of Nvidia since the series 8 chips gave them such a win on ATi. I wouldn't call it childish as much as arrogant. Arrogant in one of those tortoise and the hare sort of ways. They have alienated themselves from both AMD and Intel, forgetting something very important. Enthusiast graphics are a very very tiny (micro-small) portion of the PC market. If they think Nehalem is a dead technology, then they'll be happy to build boards with AMD. Oh, oopps, that'll be a great way to make their rival profitable.

I like Intel's move here. "Oh, we're deprecated? Okay, then you won't be needing this (takes the Nehalem chip out of young Nvidia's hand)."

Rob
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It want happen. I wouldn't worry too much.
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