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[Fud] Intel won't let Nvidia support Nehalem

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Nvidia's Director or PR, Derek Perez, has told Fudzilla that Intel actually won't let Nvidia make its Nforce, that will work with Nehalem generation of processors.

We confirmed this from Intel's side as well as other sources, as Intel told us that there won't be an Nvidia's chipset for Nehalem. Nvidia will call this a „dispute between companies that they are trying to solve privately" but we believe it's much more than that.
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Looks like there won't be SLI for most Nehalem users unless Nvidia coughs up the license. It will certainly be interesting to see the implications this has on gaming systems and ATI's next generation of cards.
 
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How will all the fanboys choose between Intel and Nvidia? I think this is silly on intels part. If ATI wasn't owned by AMD, it would be different, but you are essentially handing over all the enthusiast graphics money to a direct competitor. I know intel doesn't make money from nvidia, but they have also been charged with doing quite a bit to stop AMD from making money. I wonder if this is a bluff...
 
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Could also be bad for Intel, as they would lose some Nvidia customers if Intel is unable to get a license to use sli.
 
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Well I know for me it wont make in difference in any of my choices as Nvidia chipsets generally overclock poorly unless you are willing to spend $300+ on the top of the line version. If I really needed sli i would probably just get a dual card or not get sli at all (sli is a waste of money IMHO).
 
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Originally Posted by john55576 View Post
How hard would it be for nvidia to say make their own CPU or a GPU that acts like a CPU?
MUCH MUCH MUCH harder than you think. It would take years of planning, billions in R&D and they would still have the hurdle of trying to get Intel to hand over a x86 license.
 
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That's why Nvidia is buddying up to VIA probably... Also doesn't help that Nvidia has been so ****y lately.
 
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I see this hurting Nvidia more then intel, intel is going to sell cpus and chipsets no matter what. This might give amd the help they need to get back on their feet maybe push the graphic cards alot harder and slowly work on their cpus in the background. If when more users upgrade to the new chipset Nvidia loses money on chipsets and a extra video card someone might bought to run sli if it was for a intel chipset or a Nvidia chipset.
 
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Honestly, what did they expect? The CEO of Nvidia spends several weeks on a hate-campaign bashing Intel, and then when Intel deny's them a license to their hardware (which it has a perfectly legit right to do) Nvidia gets upset? Sorry guys - you can't have it both ways. Before Jen-Hsun Huang decided to declare Intel obsolete, he should have given some thought to how much of his company's profits are directly dependent on them.

This move is not going to kill either company, but they both need to stop tantruming and get back to making hardware.
 
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Originally Posted by accskyman View Post
Could also be bad for Intel, as they would lose some Nvidia customers if Intel is unable to get a license to use sli.
Not so much for Intel really though. People will want and rightly so the top end CPU's, as many people with older CPU's can attest, they will end up bottlenecking the cards. As the CPU's will get faster and more sophisticated the games will come developed to use them, and Nvidia will lose out because their SLI is only supported on boards that will run what amounts to obsolete technology.

I wish Nvidia would license the technology to Intel, it hasn't hurt AMD/ATI to license Crossfire, if anything it's probably helped them a little. I realize that if Nvidia does this they will probably submarine their own chipset market share, but not having a chipset that supports Nehalem and beyond will submarine your market share anyways. The only way this turns rosy for Nvidia is if they merge with VIA and pray that VIA can put out a CPU that performs well enough to at least be considered competition.
 
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nvidia has physx, but wont have sli for nehalem. not looking good for the consumer.
 
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Well, I personally have been planning to jump off the SLI/Nvidia boat anyway in the wake of the new x58 chipsets and the fact that i have rarely even utilized my SLI 8800s due to this "more than 1 monitor" BS i have to jump hoops through. I say, ATI are producing fairly high performance GPUs to "compete" with whatever Nvidia throws and now since nvidia is pretty much screwed on access to arguably the fastest enthusiast CPUs available, that overclockers will turn to Intel/ATI setups. I know i will if this mess isn't settled.
 
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Originally Posted by dralb View Post
How will all the fanboys choose between Intel and Nvidia? I think this is silly on intels part. If ATI wasn't owned by AMD, it would be different, but you are essentially handing over all the enthusiast graphics money to a direct competitor. I know intel doesn't make money from nvidia, but they have also been charged with doing quite a bit to stop AMD from making money. I wonder if this is a bluff...
this has been going on for some time here and also if they just let nvidia make their chipsets then they end up handing money for chipsets to a competitor also as nvidia makes chipsets that compete with intels chipsets.
 
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Well, I was just thinking that the dual GPU cards could effect this as well. Do we really know how well SLI will sell when nehalem becomes main stream? If the newer dual GPU cards perform like they are supposed to, there may be much less of a marked for 2 seperte cards. the ones who will be going 3 and 4 cards will be slim enough that I don't think it will matter a whole lot.

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Originally Posted by rx7speed View Post
this has been going on for some time here and also if they just let nvidia make their chipsets then they end up handing money for chipsets to a competitor also as nvidia makes chipsets that compete with intels chipsets.

True, but I would say that AMD is more of a threat competition wise as they do GFX, chipset and processor. At the same time, if I had to put money on who this hurts more, it would be nvidia. Intel has pockets deep enough to let this slide.
 
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Originally Posted by dralb View Post
I think this is silly on intels part. If ATI wasn't owned by AMD, it would be different, but you are essentially handing over all the enthusiast graphics money to a direct competitor
It may seem silly at first, but perhaps Intel could see Nvidia as more of a threat at the moment than AMD. I mean Intel is getting ready to launch Nehalem in the enthusiast market, and AMD doesn't really have an enthusiast-level CPU to compete with it.

So say someone buys a high-end system with a Nehalem and two Radeons for CF. Intel still sells the CPU, but they also hurt Nvidia because now ATI sold 2 GPU's that otherwise might have been Nvidia's. So yea, AMD gets money out of it, but AMD isn't going out of their way to compete in the high-end market, so Intel wasn't really hurt by it. In fact, they gained because Nvidia got hurt.

Just my 2 cents
 
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What me thinks is that nVidia is going to loose the enthusiast market (which is not very big, but very profit making)

I like that - more powerful mainstream, or more GX2 cards from nVidia.

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*** this is from the FUD I want a better source before i start believing that.

Everybody says FUD & INQ sux, but in most cases they are right. This is my personal experience and you can argue, but... IDK .. I think this is true.
 
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Not so much for Intel really though. People will want and rightly so the top end CPU's, as many people with older CPU's can attest, they will end up bottlenecking the cards. As the CPU's will get faster and more sophisticated the games will come developed to use them, and Nvidia will lose out because their SLI is only supported on boards that will run what amounts to obsolete technology.

I wish Nvidia would license the technology to Intel, it hasn't hurt AMD/ATI to license Crossfire, if anything it's probably helped them a little. I realize that if Nvidia does this they will probably submarine their own chipset market share, but not having a chipset that supports Nehalem and beyond will submarine your market share anyways. The only way this turns rosy for Nvidia is if they merge with VIA and pray that VIA can put out a CPU that performs well enough to at least be considered competition.

Very true, except for the last part. That won't happen.
 
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Originally Posted by RPIJG View Post
Not so much for Intel really though. People will want and rightly so the top end CPU's, as many people with older CPU's can attest, they will end up bottlenecking the cards. As the CPU's will get faster and more sophisticated the games will come developed to use them, and Nvidia will lose out because their SLI is only supported on boards that will run what amounts to obsolete technology.

I wish Nvidia would license the technology to Intel, it hasn't hurt AMD/ATI to license Crossfire, if anything it's probably helped them a little. I realize that if Nvidia does this they will probably submarine their own chipset market share, but not having a chipset that supports Nehalem and beyond will submarine your market share anyways. The only way this turns rosy for Nvidia is if they merge with VIA and pray that VIA can put out a CPU that performs well enough to at least be considered competition.
As soon as you used the word bottlenecking I couldn't take you seriously any more. The only people that this effects are bench markers and people that are willing to waste money with sli.
 
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