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i paid 200 for my evga 680i a1 and it overclocks my old C2D and my C2Q just fine..... and SLi is a waste of money ??

Do you usually just post some random stuff you heard on a diff thread ? or what ?

SLi scales just fine for me and many others.. but thanks for telling everyone with SLi they are basically morons and wasted their money... well played
Sli is a waste because you don't ever gain double the performance with 2 or more cards, more like a 40-60% gain on average. You also need to put out more money for a more powerful power supply. You also need to put out more money for a good overclocking sli motherboard (see 790i for $350!) to be able to reach a good overclock. A lot of games don't even support sli......
If those aren't good reasons than I don't know what are. BTW I bet that you aren't even running your Q6600 at 3.6GHZ with that 680i board.

You could get a good P35 board for $120 that would overclock better, have more BIOS options, and be more reliable than a good $350 790i sli motherboard. Some of the best P35 boards also support crossfire without taking a hit to motherboard overclocking performance. So if you do the math you might lose around $280 (not adding in the cost of the second card for sli) for a 60% on average increase in pc gaming fps. If someone went out and bought a second 9800GTX for their sli system than they would of spent around an extra $520 altogether for a measly 60% increase in gaming fps.
Edited by QuickS - 6/5/08 at 1:19pm
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Sli is a waste because you don't ever gain double the performance with 2 or more cards, more like a 40-60% gain on average. You also need to put out more money for a more powerful power supply. You also need to put out more money for a good overclocking sli motherboard (see 790i for $350!) to be able to reach a good overclock. A lot of games don't even support sli......
If those aren't good reasons than I don't know what are. BTW I bet that you aren't even running your Q6600 at 3.6GHZ with that 680i board.

You could get a good P35 board for $120 that would overclock better, have more BIOS options, and be more reliable than a good $350 790i sli motherboard. Some of the best P35 boards also support crossfire without taking a hit to motherboard overclocking performance. So if you do the math you might lose around $280 (not adding in the cost of the second card for sli) for a 60% on average increase in pc gaming fps. If someone went out and bought a second 9800GTX for their sli system than they would of spent around an extra $520 altogether for a measly 60% increase in gaming fps.
Basically every new game that came out for like past couple of years support SLI and CF without any issues, there can be single games with issues tho. As for OC on nForce mobos, i don't find it that much worse than on Intel chipsets, there's for example a 200$ EVGA 750i than can do around 500 FSB with quads, so don't talk rubbish.

All those OC fail talks is pretty much ASUS fault, who ruined 680i with their custom design, EVGA's 680i A1 and T1 did relatively good.
Edited by Nowyn - 6/5/08 at 1:38pm
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Sli is a waste because you don't ever gain double the performance with 2 or more cards, more like a 40-60% gain on average. You also need to put out more money for a more powerful power supply.
'SLI is a waste' .... to you. Others may (and do) pay for the performance gain. It's a personal preference if people want to pay a certain amount more for a '40-60%' gain.

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You also need to put out more money for a good overclocking sli motherboard (see 790i for $350!) to be able to reach a good overclock. A lot of games don't even support sli......
If those aren't good reasons than I don't know what are.
Again.... 'good reasons' for you. And your reasoning may be derived from slightly misconstrued perceptions.

Your $350 'example' was a 790i board with DDR3, which typically costs more with any chipset. There are plenty of SLI boards that cost significantly less, even comparable to a lot of good Intel boards/chipsets.

I will admit that nVidia chipset (SLI) boards typically can't reach quite as high FSB speeds as their Intel counterparts (P35, X38, X48). But the thing is, the 680i (A1) and 750i/780i can clock (even Quads) to at least 450 to 480MHz FSB with relative ease. Most users typically won't need a FSB higher than that to reach the maximum potential of their CPU. For example, the Q6600 has a 9 multiplier. 9 x 480 = 4,320MHz. The vast majority of people aren't going to be able to achieve (or want to for 24/7 use) CPU frequencies higher than that. My point is, the speed is more CPU limited, not motherboard front side bus limited.

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BTW I bet that you aren't not running your Q6600 at 3.6GHZ with that 680i board.
I have the same motherboard (EVGA 680i A1). I can tell you from experience, getting a Q6600 to 3.6GHz on that board is not difficult.
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lol, might as well just hand AMD a load of cash.

Intel: "Want dual gpu's, go AMD/ATI, ha that will show them...."
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No problem for me, since I only use 1 video card anyways.
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Basically every new game that came out for like past couple of years support SLI and CF without any issues, there can be single games with issues tho. As for OC on nForce mobos, i don't find it that much worse than on Intel chipsets, there's for example a 200$ EVGA 750i than can do around 500 FSB with quads, so don't talk rubbish.

All those OC fail talks is pretty much ASUS fault, who ruined 680i with their custom design, EVGA's 680i A1 and T1 did relatively good.
$200 is still a lot for a motherboard that can barely clock up a quad core and the Intel Nvidia chipsets are known for their problems and randomly dying. All that I know is that I would never buy an Intel Nvidia chipset or waste my money with sli.
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I ran a 680i at 450x8 with a Q6600 for a long time. No issues from that. The 750i FTW from EVGA is also a very good performer from what I've seen. I think you have some sort of SLI rage going on. SLI is what it is, 40-60% (better in some cases) for the same money as the one card. However, what do you think it would cost to get a card that could do 60% better than the card you are putting in SLI? Likely, you won't find a card that does that, and if you could it would cost more than twice what you had to begin with.
    
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$200 is still a lot for a motherboard that can barely clock up a quad core and the Intel Nvidia chipsets are known for their problems and randomly dying. All that I know is that I would never buy an Intel Nvidia chipset or waste my money with sli.
"Barely clock up a quad core"? The ability to achieve nearly 500FSB would equate to nearly 4.5GHz on a Q6600 (9x multiplier). This is far beyond what the chip is typically capable of - at least for 24/7 use and the vast majority of users. That does not constitute "barely" being able to "clock up" a CPU.

And from what I've seen - the random dying issues of the 680i can largely be attributed to Asus. They modified nVidia's reference design to their own version and subsequently caused quite a few issues by doing so. I haven't heard of any problems with the (non-Asus) 750i/780i randomly dying. One major problem was the video corruption issue, but this has been fixed with a BIOS update.

The fact you would "never buy an Nvidia chipset" is your choice. But I believe, judging by the information at hand, is a choice that may be based on some inapt or misconstrued opinions on the matter.
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Well Intel are the losers here. People who want SLI won't be buying Intels brand new and expensive CPU's then.

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$200 is still a lot for a motherboard that can barely clock up a quad core and the Intel Nvidia chipsets are known for their problems and randomly dying. All that I know is that I would never buy an Intel Nvidia chipset or waste my money with sli.
Then you sacrifice the ability to have the most powerful graphics solutions.
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